Alabama Open Carry Shutdown

[Chris Green]

The popular Alabama Open Carry facebook group has been shut down and the website appears to be also. Please join Alabama Gun Rights Facebook group for discussing Alabama Open/Concealed or any other topic you wish.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Algunrights/

"This group was created for the purpose of general discussion of gun rights in Alabama, second amendment issues and current events. Not affiliated with any political groups or corporations, however you may freely discuss such groups. The intent is a discussion group that can freely express their first amendment rights while discussing their second amendment rights without fear of ban or reprisal. We dont have a political agenda or image to uphold, there are other groups for that. "

 

[Grapeshot]

Welcome to OCDO Chris Green.

Facebook and other social media are good for chatting and talking, but hardly an effective forum/voice to protect and defend OC particularly and the RKBA generally.

That is where OCDO and the user/members stand tall - they not only talk the talk (exceptionally well informed group) but they walk the walk. Many activists here who are, have been, and will be there to quick step into the field and contribute to finding responsible solutions.

 

[OC for ME]

Welcome to OCDO Chris Green.

Facebook and other social media are good for chatting and talking, but hardly an effective forum/voice to protect and defend OC particularly and the RKBA generally.

That is where OCDO and the user/members stand tall - they not only talk the talk (exceptionally well informed group) but they walk the walk. Many activists here who are, have been, and will be there to quick step into the field and contribute to finding responsible solutions.

...except that thing about Glocks shooting their owners thing...haven't figured that out yet.

 

[independence]

Hmm, Grapeshot. Not sure I agree. The TX groups (that will likely soon have an open carry bill passed) did most of their organization through Facebook. I asked them if they were familiar with OCDO and very few of them were, though one of their main Facebook groups has over 20,000 members.

I enjoy OCDO and agree that members are highly knowledgeable on the subject matter, but I would not agree that Facebook groups are "hardly an effective forum".

 

[BB62]

Hmm, Grapeshot. Not sure I agree. The TX groups (that will likely soon have an open carry bill passed) did most of their organization through Facebook. I asked them if they were familiar with OCDO and very few of them were, though one of their main Facebook groups has over 20,000 members.

I enjoy OCDO and agree that members are highly knowledgeable on the subject matter, but I would not agree that Facebook groups are "hardly an effective forum".

I wholeheartedly agree with Grapeshot that Facebook is an ineffective forum. I have found Facebook to be VERY worthwhile for publicizing events as well as a place where some level of discussion can take place, but for multiple reasons I've found Facebook lacking when one wants a deep and broad conversation like those here on OCDO.

Want to publicize an event to a bunch of people, where you prefer quantity over quality of contacts? Facebook shines. Want to have a deep and broad discussion? Facebook blows.

 

[Grapeshot]

Hmm, Grapeshot. Not sure I agree. The TX groups (that will likely soon have an open carry bill passed) did most of their organization through Facebook. I asked them if they were familiar with OCDO and very few of them were, though one of their main Facebook groups has over 20,000 members.

I enjoy OCDO and agree that members are highly knowledgeable on the subject matter, but I would not agree that Facebook groups are "hardly an effective forum".

I wholeheartedly agree with Grapeshot that Facebook is an ineffective forum. I have found Facebook to be VERY worthwhile for publicizing events as well as a place where some level of discussion can take place, but for multiple reasons I've found Facebook lacking when one wants a deep and broad conversation like those here on OCDO.

Want to publicize an event to a bunch of people, where you prefer quantity over quality of contacts? Facebook shines. Want to have a deep and broad discussion? Facebook blows.

20,000 members ?? Facebook must have changed a lot since I closed my account some time ago in abject frustration (was hacked). Never knew that "memberships" or registrations in a cohesive group existed there - still don't think that exists.

IF that many people to were descend on the state capital in mass demanding OC, we wouldn't be talking about this now.

 

[Kopis]

Welcome to OCDO Chris Green.

Facebook and other social media are good for chatting and talking, but hardly an effective forum/voice to protect and defend OC particularly and the RKBA generally.

That is where OCDO and the user/members stand tall - they not only talk the talk (exceptionally well informed group) but they walk the walk. Many activists here who are, have been, and will be there to quick step into the field and contribute to finding responsible solutions.

Not to knock any OCDO members but facebook/social media are far better than forums for organizing people. Everyone has a facebook app on their phone and now you can create events, invite people, see who RSVPed etc. Forums are slowly becoming a thing of the past.

My motorcycle club does everything through FB. The founders of the club had a forum for years but now it's a ghost town. We created a private group and can have all the convos we want.

 

[independence]

20,000 members ?? Facebook must have changed a lot since I closed my account some time ago in abject frustration (was hacked). Never knew that "memberships" or registrations in a cohesive group existed there - still don't think that exists.

IF that many people to were descend on the state capital in mass demanding OC, we wouldn't be talking about this now.

See and believe...

 

[Grapeshot]

See and believe...

What are we "seeing"? That a closed group (not publicly viewable) claims almost 21K "members? Might be true, I don't know - I cannot confirm or deny. Would like a great deal more accountability and ascertainable veracity. I find it quite difficult to support a group that operates behind closed doors - have to wonder why the restriction.

 

[independence]

What are we "seeing"? That a closed group (not publicly viewable) claims almost 21K "members? Might be true, I don't know - I cannot confirm or deny. Would like a great deal more accountability and ascertainable veracity. I find it quite difficult to support a group that operates behind closed doors - have to wonder why the restriction.

[rolls eyes]

Oh yeah...forgot...the Open Carry Texas people are not seen favorably by OCDO admins because of their methods...Was trying to figure out why you were so bent on not believing me and then just remembered that...It all makes sense now...

 

[Grapeshot]

[rolls eyes]

Oh yeah...forgot...the Open Carry Texas people are not seen favorably by OCDO admins because of their methods...Was trying to figure out why you were so bent on not believing me and then just remembered that...It all makes sense now...

False conclusion - those that support open carry, including in Texas, are held in high esteem. You should not castigate the Administration of OCDO so casually. It is not OCT's method(s) that is being questioned by me personally but rather wanting to see (shine a light) on the inner workings for myself - others may have a similar interest.

Note that there is no need to be sarcastic/roll eyes for sincere questions offered through genuine interest. I would like to know more, but I am forced to observe from outside a locked door with no way to personally react positively or negatively to what I cannot see first hand. Sorry that troubles you.

 

[OC for ME]

False conclusion - those that support open carry, including in Texas, are held in high esteem. You should not castigate the Administration of OCDO so casually. It is not OCT's method(s) that is being questioned by me personally but rather wanting to see (shine a light) on the inner workings for myself - others may have a similar interest.

Note that there is no need to be sarcastic/roll eyes for sincere questions offered through genuine interest. I would like to know more, but I am forced to observe from outside a locked door with no way to personally react positively or negatively to what I cannot see first hand. Sorry that troubles you.

Get invited or sign up, whichever route you need to take to get a peek behind the curtain.

Me, I'm not that interested because it is Facebutt after all.

 

[BB62]

[rolls eyes]

Oh yeah...forgot...the Open Carry Texas people are not seen favorably by OCDO admins because of their methods...Was trying to figure out why you were so bent on not believing me and then just remembered that...It all makes sense now...

Take Grapeshot at his word. You're tilting at windmills when you accuse OCDO and/or their admin(s) of such things.

 

[Aknazer]

What are we "seeing"? That a closed group (not publicly viewable) claims almost 21K "members? Might be true, I don't know - I cannot confirm or deny. Would like a great deal more accountability and ascertainable veracity. I find it quite difficult to support a group that operates behind closed doors - have to wonder why the restriction.

They aren't claiming to have almost 21k members. That is the number of different FB accounts that are members of that group. It is tracked and displayed by FB much like when someone "likes" a post. The only way one would be able to fudge the numbers would be to create tons of FB accounts for the sole purpose of joining the group to inflate the numbers. Or hack FB.

 

[Grapeshot]

They aren't claiming to have almost 21k members. That is the number of different FB accounts that are members of that group. It is tracked and displayed by FB much like when someone "likes" a post. The only way one would be able to fudge the numbers would be to create tons of FB accounts for the sole purpose of joining the group to inflate the numbers. Or hack FB.

Saying the "only way" is a lot like saying "never." Neither is expected to hold up under scrutiny.

Being a classic practitioner of challenging/questioning "facts", especially those based on assumptions, I see many problems with that justification/defense of the numbers meaning what you suggest.

If one wants to read what is presented by a private FaceBook group, one has to join/become a member. Those would include antis, media, politicians, LEA/LEO, fence sitters, juveniles, and the just curious, etc, etc.

As a comparison, look at the bottom of the main OCDO forum page. There you will see the number of "registrant/members" as well as the number of "guests" that are on-line at any given time. The guests will always outnumber the members by 300% to 1000% - very significant numbers and quite telling that those outside the forum are reading what is offered.

Also look at the bottom of the same OCDO page for the Spam-O-Matic numbers: if these bad registrants and not been prevented from joining, our total membership rooster would be doubled! Wow - if numbers alone told the story.

The difference is that OCDO is open/viewable to all and FaceBook is closed to all unless you join up. We show a breakdown by status, FaceBook does not - all are included in one basket, thereby skewing the numbers in an easily misinterpreted way.

Do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that the group does not have dedicated, hard working members or that all members are smoke. I am saying that I cannot decide for myself where on that big bell curve is the point that represents the facts of this - the truth in numbers.

 

[Kirbinator]

The page is still active, but if someone has been blocked from said group, it will not be viewable or searchable.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/alabamaoc/

 

[Grapeshot]

The page is still active, but if someone has been blocked from said group, it will not be viewable or searchable.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/alabamaoc/

I have never been blocked unless it was a preemptive measure as I have never attempted to register.

Clicking on that link generates this message: "You must log in to continue."

 

[Custodian]

Class, repeat after me.

Facebook is liberal.

Facebook is for liberals.

Facebook's founder is a liberal

Good boy.

 

[Kirbinator]

The group is set to private or secret, which means you have to have a Facebook account to see it, or be a member of the group to see it.

 

[skidmark]

The group is set to private or secret, which means you have to have a Facebook account to see it, or be a member of the group to see it.

OK, I understand that.

But what do I do if I do not want to deal with the intrusiveness of FB and the people that play there? I don't want any friends, and I sure don't want to know what your status was/is. If I register for an event I do not want to be bombarded with information about who else has registered or how many total registrations there are. Maybe FB's "going private" has gotten better since I nuked my account there. but from what I'm told there is no iron-clad guarantee.

Yes, life is rough without FB, but until I know I can have an account that will not bring that in when I use it, it's remaining on the verboten list.

stay safe.