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England to ban most knives?

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England may soon ban most common knives, especially those with a point. Criminals are using them as weapons against other people in robberies, home invasions, and murder/assaults.

https://tinyurl.com/yar3coda

https://tinyurl.com/kylgc35

https://tinyurl.com/y9le37dx


Some might suggest banning right hand drive vehicles, then the criminals would have no way to get from place to place, thereby making England safer...:p

They need another law over there. (sarcasm)
 
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Britons long ago abandoned individual liberty. Their plight is not worthy of discussion on a site that promotes the restoration of individual liberty.
 

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Britons long ago abandoned individual liberty. Their plight is not worthy of discussion on a site that promotes the restoration of individual liberty.
There is a sub-forum (this one) for just that discussion - it is the quest for liberty and freedom as well as conversation about the present state of affairs.
 

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There is a sub-forum (this one) for just that discussion - it is the quest for liberty and freedom as well as conversation about the present state of affairs.
Never stated that a discussion of the plight of Briton's could/should not be posted...not my place, not my site. I stated that the plight of Briton's is not worthy of discussion on this site.
 

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Never stated that a discussion of the plight of Briton's could/should not be posted...not my place, not my site. I stated that the plight of Briton's is not worthy of discussion on this site.
There is a consideration on the table to allow more international postings.

The desire for freedom is not limited to by where one lives. One man's desire is no less worthy than that of another.

Consider too for the sake of discussion that there is already a sub-forum for England.
 
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Is London's murder rate really higher than NYC's?

It appears that indeed it is. Not to worry though - they will just pass some new laws (sarcasm).

https://tinyurl.com/ydhdp5qx
While it is true London has a higher murder rate then New York city, you need to focus n the fact that London has fewer GUN deaths then NYC.
That's the important thing.
Being beat to death with a club or a pipe isn't as traumatic as being SHOT.
 
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Is London's murder rate really higher than NYC's?

It appears that indeed it is. Not to worry though - they will just pass some new laws (sarcasm).

https://tinyurl.com/ydhdp5qx
While it is true London has a higher murder rate then New York city, you need to focus n the fact that London has fewer GUN deaths then NYC.
That's the important thing.
Being beat to death with a club or a pipe isn't as traumatic as being SHOT.
Oh really?

Here I thought that dead was dead. Good to know that being killed with a knife, club, or pipe is less traumatic.

https://tinyurl.com/ydaxrrsq

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There is a consideration on the table to allow more international postings.

The desire for freedom is not limited to by where one lives. One man's desire is no less worthy than that of another.

Consider too for the sake of discussion that there is already a sub-forum for England.
Let Briton's come here and post. They can enlighten us on the efforts to restore individual liberty, specifically the restoration of their right to carry a properly holstered handgun, openly (or CC), in public for self defense. Britons can enlighten us on the efforts to restore their right to own a handgun without government sanction.
 

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There is a consideration on the table to allow more international postings.

The desire for freedom is not limited to by where one lives. One man's desire is no less worthy than that of another.

Consider too for the sake of discussion that there is already a sub-forum for England.
Let Briton's come here and post. They can enlighten us on the efforts to restore individual liberty, specifically the restoration of their right to carry a properly holstered handgun, openly (or CC), in public for self defense. Britons can enlighten us on the efforts to restore their right to own a handgun without government sanction.
I think first that they shall have to be made to feel more welcome - not ridiculed nor looked down upon. We have not been so accepting in the past.
 

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I think first that they shall have to be made to feel more welcome - not ridiculed nor looked down upon. We have not been so accepting in the past.
Do not lump me in with your "we." If reiterating facts makes visitors to this sub-forum feel unwelcome, to feel ridiculed, or to feel looked down upon, then perhaps these individuals should look in the mirror.

I would encourage them to begin the political fight to restore individual liberty. This site provides a wealth of information as to the proper way to restore individual liberty...via the courts (Britons do not have a government limiting document so how much can a Briton accomplish via the courts) or the ballot box. Have Britons done this? Ever? I do not know? In this day and age I am sure we would have heard of a viable gun rights organization existing in Briton...no? On the contrary, based on news reports, Britons welcome more of their individual liberty to be abrogated by the state.

The posts in this sub-forum are submitted by names familiar to most of our members. None of them a Briton as far as I know. I did not look back very far in this sites historical record to see if any Briton has posted here.

Do you honestly believe any Briton would post on a publicly viewable website their views on gun regulations in Briton? Do you honestly believe any Briton would advocate for a 2A analog be imposed on the Crown, by a vote of the people?
Arrests for offensive Facebook and Twitter posts soar in London

625 arrests were made for alleged section 127 offences[sic] in 2010

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nd-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html
Do you honestly believe that the Crown would abide by the will of the people?
Brexit: Theresa May plans 'robust' response to Lords defeat

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43960448
Britons have abandoned individual liberty, this is a undisputed fact by any objective measure. They are now on the verge of permitting more of what little individual liberty they have remaining to be revoked by government fiat.

Britons can change their self imposed plight by their vote. They retain a right to vote do they not?

Britons have had over 200 years to see what individual liberty looks like. What a restrained central government should look like.

Britain's unwritten constitution: https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/britains-unwritten-constitution

The Canadian Constitution: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/just/05.html
 

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--snipe--

The posts in this sub-forum are submitted by names familiar to most of our members. None of them a Briton as far as I know. I did not look back very far in this sites historical record to see if any Briton has posted here.
User/member TrueBrit was a prolific, diehard freedom lover. Scouser, British by birth, Virginian by choice is well known and respected locally.

http://britishshooting.org.uk/getting-involved/find-a-club

https://nra.org.uk/

Most pro gun people say that you cannot get into the gun clubs in Britain and become a member and that it's really hard to do so. Is this true?
https://tinyurl.com/yapqux8w


The use of the empirical "We" was neither a personal attack nor an insult, but I think you already knew that.
 

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There is a consideration on the table to allow more international postings.

The desire for freedom is not limited to by where one lives. One man's desire is no less worthy than that of another.
Excellent! GS, I like to see this attitude. They do exist; I've certainly seen some British and European interest in firearms and crossbows etc on YouTube. Main problem is just like Americans, new members will first have to find their way to OCDO, which is harder than it was in the past because Google, YT, and social media are now trying hard to route people away from such things. Hope you guys have some plans to help overcome that!

Do not lump me in with your "we." If reiterating facts makes visitors to this sub-forum feel unwelcome, to feel ridiculed, or to feel looked down upon, then perhaps these individuals should look in the mirror.
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Britons long ago abandoned individual liberty. Their plight is not worthy of discussion on a site that promotes the restoration of individual liberty.
OC, I'm sure we all feel much the same about liberty. Yankee or Southerner or Brit, many of us want more freedom when we "wake up" and have the blinders removed. We can't change the past but we can change the future.

We should look in the mirror too, shouldn't we? How is our Bill of Rights faring? Are the listed rights currently exercised by all Americans freely without infringement and harrassment? Hmmm. We should think about that. We have much to think about.

(Yes, "we" are all different. I certainly like to see freedom-lovers from other nations too.)

While it is true London has a higher murder rate then New York city, you need to focus n the fact that London has fewer GUN deaths then NYC.
That's the important thing.
Being beat to death with a club or a pipe isn't as traumatic as being SHOT.
Thank Good the poor blighter was only stabbed 30 times in a perfectly civilized fashion and didn't have to bear the uncanny sight of a bloody great gun like those bloodthirsty Yanks.
 

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User/member TrueBrit was a prolific, diehard freedom lover. Scouser, British by birth, Virginian by choice is well known and respected locally. ...
When was the last post by TrueBrit? Scouser does not live in Briton either...by choice. Good for him, smart fella.

Here are a few Britons who have posted. Seems Americans, almost exclusively, are interested in the plight of Britons than Britons are of their own plight.

salop sniper, Shropshire, England (last post 4/2014)
David Turner, North Newbald, , United Kingdom
saveyourself, Swansea which is in Wales not England, , United Kingdom
UKexcop, (location not given) (http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?68521-Firearms-in-the-UK-POLL) Read the stuff this guy spouts. You mopped the floor with him. You did not change his mind, likely drove him off as well. He is a former cop (government drone).

Here is another thread from 2010 by Buzz-tronic (last post 12/2011) who lists his location as UK prison island. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...Rights-Are-On-The-Line!&p=1613967#post1613967

Interesting numbers he posts regarding the interest in restoring gun rights in the Briton.
The use of the empirical "We" was neither a personal attack nor an insult, but I think you already knew that.
What I know is that Britons can come to these pages and defend their lack of interest in thwarting the ever intrusive state into every aspect of their lives and property. Why should they, they they have not displayed any interest in restoring gun rights, or individual liberty to this point. Quite the opposite it seems.

More from our cousins across the pond...on the NRA website.
On point for this thread.

I get it, I really do. However, Britons must do the work, we can only provide moral support. We have on this site volumes of ideas, suggestions, and legal references to prepare a organized effort in Briton...sadly I can find that no real effort is afoot. To date there is no effort of any consequence to restore gun rights in Briton. There is little if any effort to stop the banning of "dangerous knives."
 

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While it is true London has a higher murder rate then New York city, you need to focus n the fact that London has fewer GUN deaths then NYC.
That's the important thing.
Being beat to death with a club or a pipe isn't as traumatic as being SHOT.
Oh really?

Here I thought that dead was dead. Good to know that being killed with a knife, club, or pipe is less traumatic.
This one happened closer to home for some of us:
http://wtvr.com/2018/04/30/80-year-old-man-dies-after-attack-in-south-richmond-backyard/

Please explain how it is "less traumatic" for either the victim or his family.
 

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Interesting read. Dated 2010.
POLICE RIGHT OF ENTRY &FIREARMS SEIZURESDO THE POLICE OR AUTHORITIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENTER YOURPROPERTY OR PREMISES?

file:///C:/Users/Home/Downloads/police_right_of_entry_firearms_seizures.pdf
 

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I think first that they shall have to be made to feel more welcome - not ridiculed nor looked down upon. We have not been so accepting in the past.
Fee fi foo fum. I smell the blood of an Englishman. :uhoh:

Fire one for effect - adjust accordingly.
 
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