Gun free school zones

[balackolama]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990

according to wiki its legal as long as its concealed?

then its not really gun free

 

[eye95]

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Do not rely on widipedia for an accurate reading of the law. Read the law itself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922(q).html

The federal law says that you are allowed to carry if you are licensed. The federal law does specify the mode of carry. Check State laws also. Some States have defense-free school zones too.

 

[balackolama]

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doesnt matter anyway most of the union work in vegas is on the strip no schools there

and i have no kids that i know of

 

[eye95]

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Ah, what started out as a promising discussion has been turned juvenile.

Surprised? No.

 

[Jack House]

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eye95 wrote:

Do not rely on widipedia for an accurate reading of the law. Read the law itself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922(q).html

The federal law says that you are allowed to carry if you are licensed. The federal law does specify the mode of carry. Check State laws also. Some States have defense-free school zones too.

It's illegal in Texas even with a license, but only illegal inside the actual buildings and unless you have special written permission. See below.


PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation
vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or
educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. [snip]
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person:
[snip]
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional
sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless
the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used
in the event
[snip]
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The
term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk
or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

Seems the two law are contradictory. You can carry a weapon if you don't have a license but do have written permission but not if you have a license even with written permission? Maybe I am reading it wrong. IANAL

Source: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/relatedlaws.htm

 

[Dreamer]

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NC has a statute prohibiting carry in ANY mode on ALL school property, including colleges and Universities:

14‑269.2.§ Weapons on campus or other educational property.

(4) Weapon. – Any device enumerated in subsection (b), (b1), or (d) of this section.
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(b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. Unless the conduct is covered under some other provision of law providing greater punishment, any person who willfully discharges a firearm of any kind on educational property is guilty of a Class F felony. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.
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[lil_freak_66]

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MI says you may open carry into a k-12 with a cpl only

 

[rodbender]

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eye95 wrote:

Ah, what started out as a promising discussion has been turned juvenile.

Surprised? No.

The way you criticize people on a constant basis is juvenile in itself.It's "the pot calling the kettle black" kind of thing. I can see how you came to pick your avatar. You have some realintelligence and sometimes it shows, sometimes not. But then, everyone is that way unlessthey are very anal retentive.

 

[Doug Huffman]

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eye95 wrote:

Ah, what started out as a promising discussion has been turned juvenile. Surprised? No.

I95's version of 'Whaateverrr'. Oh wait, wasn't that "moving on"? Very dismissive.

 

[rodbender]

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Jack House wrote:

eye95 wrote:

Do not rely on widipedia for an accurate reading of the law. Read the law itself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922(q).html

The federal law says that you are allowed to carry if you are licensed. The federal law does specify the mode of carry. Check State laws also. Some States have defense-free school zones too.

It's illegal in Texas even with a license unless you have special written permission.


PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation
vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or
educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. [snip]
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person:
[snip]
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional
sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless
the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used
in the event

Seems the two law are contradictory. You can carry a weapon if you don't have a license but do have written permission but not if you have a license even with written permission? Maybe I am reading it wrong. IANAL

Source: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/relatedlaws.htm

You left out a very important piece of the puzzle.

46.035:

(3)"Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

 

[balackolama]

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rodbender wrote:

eye95 wrote:

Ah, what started out as a promising discussion has been turned juvenile.

Surprised? No.

The way you criticize people on a constant basis is juvenile in itself.It's "the pot calling the kettle black" kind of thing. I can see how you came to pick your avatar. You have some realintelligence and sometimes it shows, sometimes not. But then, everyone is that way unlessthey are very anal retentive.

hes gotta keep the gerbils from falling out

 

[balackolama]

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what ever happened to teachers carrying?

if they cant be trusted with guns i would not want my kids going to that school

 

[Jack House]

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rodbender wrote:

You left out a very important piece of the puzzle.

46.035:

(3)"Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

And this is why IANAL.

Thank you, fixed my post.

 

[MamaLiberty]

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I must have missed something. If you CAN carry inside those buildings, but not outside them, how in heck do you get into the building with your gun in the first place? Does that only work if they contstruct the building around the gun, or do you have to get a nanny cop to carry it inside for you?

Wait a minute! I've been conned! None of this makes any sense. :what:

 

[simmonsjoe]

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MamaLiberty wrote:

I must have missed something. If you CAN carry inside those buildings, but not outside them, how in heck do you get into the building with your gun in the first place? Does that only work if they contstruct the building around the gun, or do you have to get a nanny cop to carry it inside for you?

Wait a minute! I've been conned! None of this makes any sense. :what:

Of course it doesn't, we are discussing LEGAL CODE.

 

[rodbender]

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MamaLiberty wrote:

I must have missed something. If you CAN carry inside those buildings, but not outside them, how in heck do you get into the building with your gun in the first place? Does that only work if they contstruct the building around the gun, or do you have to get a nanny cop to carry it inside for you?

Wait a minute! I've been conned! None of this makes any sense. :what:

Hello!!!!! You can't carry on the premises. Premises is defined as a building or part of a building. You can carry in the parking lot, driveways, and sidewalks, but NOT in the building. DUH!

 

[Jack House]

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simmonsjoe wrote:

MamaLiberty wrote:

I must have missed something. If you CAN carry inside those buildings, but not outside them, how in heck do you get into the building with your gun in the first place? Does that only work if they contstruct the building around the gun, or do you have to get a nanny cop to carry it inside for you?

Wait a minute! I've been conned! None of this makes any sense. :what:

Of course it doesn't, we are discussing LEGAL CODE.

Which I have found that the Texas Penal Code is a lot like programming languages. >.>

 

[hopnpop]

Like Lil_Freak said regarding Michigan > with a CPL, one may OPENLY carry on public school premises, but NOT conceal. However, there's always a catch... this one being that the Superintendent may delegate to whomever he wishes, the authority to ask a person who's armed to leave the property. If he delegates that authority to the whole faculty/staff, any one of them may (and will, I'm sure) ask you to leave the property - and failure to do so will result in trespassing charges. On the (+) side of it, he may not have delegated that authority to ANYONE, but pretty much any way you look at it, it can get real hairy real quick.