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This is not my thread, not my state, and probably none of my business but I feel compelled to respond since what happens in one state tends to happen in others. That certainly includes Iowa.
Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
SAK wrote:
We won't be supporting any trades, any concessions. We won't give up an inch, no matter how "small" it may seem. We are no-compromise, and our beliefs would not allow us to give up any freedom. The progress we make will have to be made the hard way - work.
So what does that mean when a shall issue bill comes up before the Wisconsin legislature that in no way infringes upon the current right to carry, doesn't create any new penalties for CC, but provides a permit system to expand the opportunities to carry for those who would like to CC. Do you support that bill or is that "giving up an inch" or do you come against that bill because its a "compromise" to constitution carry and you are proclaiming to be "no-compromise"
There is no such thing as a shall issue bill that does not infringe on the right to self defense. No sane adult should require the permission of any government to carry a tool of self defense whether that be openly or concealed.
A permitting system that has no penalties for noncompliance is not a permitting system. The only reason for a permit is to show proof of permission.
Also, this is my thread so do NOT turn it into a permit vs. no permit discussion. Please respect that.
Please don't take my question as a "disrespect to
your thread" but I think its a valid question and I'm interested to hear your response
edited to add another question.
It would be much more difficult to come up with a whole permit system, new paperwork, fees, red tape, bureaucrats, lots of $$$, etc to do a permit system.
Given that so many states have a permit-system in place and for reciprocity purposes, a permit may be required to carry in other states, what would you say to a wisconsin resident who wants to be able to carry in other 'permit' states? "tough luck" we are no compromise? You'll have to get a non-resident permit from another state to carry when you travel?
There are numerous problems with creating a permit for reciprocity in other states. One is the Wisconsin legislature will be tasked with the impossible, to please everyone everywhere. Some states require training, some require fingerprints, some do not. What is the goal of the permit? How much should it cost? Will this be treated as a revenue source or as more of a service to the public?
Another concern is mission creep. The state might just decide that this permit to carry a concealed weapon might serve a purpose within the state. Such as, oh, I don't know... perhaps the ability to carry a concealed weapon.
Until every state recognizes our right to self defense people will have to navigate the minefield of gun laws. The creation of a Wisconsin permit for concealed weapons does not simplify the minefield, it can only complicate it. It's only my opinion but it's best to not even consider a permit to carry concealed weapons in Wisconsin.
I guess my point is that its easy to come on the internet and talk tough about being "no compromise" and not giving up and inch, but I think the issue is much more complex than that and once you get beyond the bravado, what then?
Once you get beyond the bravado and the tough talk it comes down to this, you have the constitutionally protected right to carry a firearm openly. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain by getting those same protections for concealed carry in law.
Even a permit for concealed carry only for the purposes of recognition in other states is a minefield of compromises. You could get a permit that is recognized in 40 states and costs $200 to obtain, after training and fingerprints, etc. You could get a permit good in only 15 states for $50. Which do you want? It's best to not even try to please all the people, all the time.
We compromised in Iowa on our Permit to Carry reform and we now have a permit that requires retraining every five years. This was supposedly to encourage other states to recognize the Iowa permit. Now we have a very expensive permit for those that have no interest in traveling to states that require training for the exercise of the right to self defense. That is so it is convenient for the few that don't want to be bothered to get a permit from Minnesota, Utah, or Florida.