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Maricopa County Swat Encounter

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
Yeah... but you're in Prissycott. Some people went bug-eyed up there at the site of my sidearm. That happens in University towns... along with the leftoid politics.
Everything's about where people currently reside to you.

You sincerely believe that a person's political views are defined, and can be predicted, by where that person geographically resides.

Of course, if there was any merit to this notion, clearly you must have been a Constitution-hating socialist during all your years as a Baltimore cop, right? There's no way that anybody who doesn't hate freedom would ever live there, even if he later moved away, right?

Edit: Damn, two posts in a row. See the previous page.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
Yeah... but you're in Prissycott. Some people went bug-eyed up there at the site ofmy sidearm. That happens in University towns... along with the leftoid politics.
Everything's about where people currently reside to you.

You sincerely believe that a person's political views are defined, and can be predicted, by where that person geographically resides.

Of course, if there was any merit to this notion, clearly you must have been a Constitution-hating socialist during all your years as a Baltimore cop, right? There's no way that anybody who doesn't hate freedom would ever live there, even if he later moved away, right?

Edit: Damn, two posts in a row. See the previous page.

Yeah... demographics are a huge influence on opinion. I remained at diametric odds with the state of Maryland 'n Baltimore 'culture' in particular (and still do) 'cause if anything it's gotten worse.I was an alien presence, even thoI was born there. I never did 'belong' there... my head don't work that way (thank God).

I left quite young in life and returned some 15 years or so later. I remained for 4 years and left again. People tend to be static and don't even realize the difference in regional cultural norms until they'represented with other regional'norms' they've never heard of.San Francisco's regional political norm is Left of Leninon theDark Side of the Moon.

Even here... the UofA liberalinfluence on Tucson (the nearest largecity) is not shared by the surrounding environs. I'd rather the whole thing move to Scottsdale or Prescott...
 

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marshaul wrote:
N6ATF wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
lostone1413 wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
I don't live in Maricopa so I can't vote for Sheriff Joe... but I would if I could. If he ran for Governor we'd vote for him down here in my chunk of cholla. San Fransicko is screwed up because it IS what it is... and liberalism/socialism/(outright) communismthatits citizens not only tolerated but applauded and made it so.
I'm with you brother. I can't vote for Joe either. I live in Yavapai County. But if I could I'd vote for Joe in a heart beat. From what I see most of the heat Joe gets is from people not wanting him to go after the Illegals. I'm with Joe 100% the guy got some balls Rare now days

I can't vote for Joe, but I'd vote against him in a heartbeat, and it's not about immigration. It's about him being a corrupt thug who ignores the Constitution. He's all "law & order" so long as it's his law and his order.

Making up his own laws, hassling and charging political opponents... the guy is a Lincoln-esque tyrant.
Some, like me, want to believe he's enforcing the laws that the corrupt government refuses to. Unfortunately, instead of focusing seemingly entirely on the symptom (criminal invaders), he should also arrest the cause: traitors in our government that are acting as agents of Mexico above serving the U.S.

Both sovereignty and Article III, Section 3, may as well not exist as they are rarely if ever enforced to the fullest extent of the law.
I'd like to believe that Obama believes in "Change".

The difference is, I'm not rushing out to buy a bridge.

BTW, do you believe immigration laws are higher than Constitutional mandates?
Constitutional mandates pretty much cover it, immigration laws can be redundant. If either were actually enforced more than just window dressing.

Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have power... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Oops.

Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Oops.

Article III, Section 3:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

Oops.

Article IV, Section 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Oops.

Amendment XIV, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Oops.

And finally...
Amendment II:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Oops!
 

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marshaul wrote:
I'd like to believe that Obama believes in "Change".

The difference is, I'm not rushing out to buy a bridge.

BTW, do you believe immigration laws are higher than Constitutional mandates?

I don't watch TV, Sonora. I dislike Joe because of his flagrant disregard for the Constitution you so adamantly claim to love -- as long as we're talking about guns and not illegals.

:quirky
By the time Obama is done, all you will have left is "change!'
 

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You ignored the 4th Amendment. And the first.

Even if I accept your "invasion" rhetoric (I don't), the government still must respect individual rights while it "repels" an "invasion" :)quirky).
 

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marshaul wrote:
N6ATF wrote:
You ignored the 4th Amendment. And the first.

Even if I accept your "invasion" rhetoric (I don't), the government still must respect individual rights while it "repels" an "invasion" :)quirky).
What individual rights matter when Mexican paramilitaries are shooting at you and making vehicular incursions over the border to assist the stream of invaders? You shoot to live, rights mean nothing if you're dead.

Red Rover. Run at us, we'll clothesline you. Throw rocks at us, we'll throw bigger rocks back.
 

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We're talking about American citizens having their rights violated. "War" against "Mexican paramilitaries" is the excuse, not the real-life context.
 

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C'mon down here 'n live next to it. It's not rhetoric, it's fact. Invaders have no rights 'til liberal bed-wetters get involved. It's not academic... it's reality. Not the 'reality' of San Francisco...
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
Yeah... but you're in Prissycott. Some people went bug-eyed up there at the site ofmy sidearm. That happens in University towns... along with the leftoid politics.
Weren't you staying at a hotel and attending a cowboy poetry something or other? You haven't seen Prescott, you've seen tourists.

My grandfather moved his family to Prescott (to retire from the USAF and pursue his love of gunsmithing) in the late '60s, around the same time Col. Cooper was settling down in the area, Neal Knox was moving Wolfe Publishing here, Joe DeSaye was moving J&G Sales down from Montana, and Ruger was thinking about building a factory.

Grandad helped found the gunsmithing program at Yavapai College. With the exception of a few students at Prescott College, the recent transplants, and the tourists; you'll find this to be a rather conservative and gun friendly town. I open carry all the time and it's rare to get a second glance.

I'm as liberty minded a person as you'll ever find, which is why being tough on illegal immigration and a general hardass isn't enough for me to overlook Joe's shenanigans.
 

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mFonz77 wrote:
Makes you wonder about how things would go down if you ever have to use your firearm for defense. Did you have one of those "GOOD GUY" sashes?
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'Looks like some bitch inna green sash just blew away an unarmed citizen in ugly pants'n fixin' to do a mag dump. There is nowhere she could conceal that pistol dressed like that.
I have to concurr, after very close and painstaking examination, I am unable to identify any location where a firearm might be stowed... Very close examination....

I felt like crashing another thread...
 

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marshaul wrote:
We're talking about American citizens having their rights violated. "War" against "Mexican paramilitaries" is the excuse, not the real-life context.
We are?

:uhoh:
Um, yes. Why do you think people are bothered by Arpaio? Certainly not because of some illegals (nobody cares about them, remember?).
 

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I'm not botherd by Arpaio. I wish AZ could annex Imperial and San Diego counties. Then I could live in AZ and be close to the beach.:celebrate
 

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I'm not botherd by Arpaio.
Well, you should be.

I can understand some of these 'Zonies, but a Californian (especially a proponent of OC such as yourself) ought to have learned well the value of the fourth amendment.

If you've lived in California this long, and still don't care about the 4th, then there's no hope. All I can say is, good luck with you OC activities. Without a 4th amendment, you're going to be facing charges sooner rather than later.

That's my prediction. :?
 

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Well, that's up to you.

Remember, a people aren't their government, and that's just as true here as anywhere else.

San Francisco is a cool city with a lot to offer, and, yes, possesses one of the most corrupt governments around (although at least our police are a little better than Arpaio's, gun rights excepted :p). So far, the SFPD have actually managed to not violate any of my non-2A rights, which is more than I can say for police elsewhere in this state, and in others.

You aren't fleeing the U.S. because of Obama, right? ;)

If there's one reason to be thankful one isn't living in SF, its the lack of good carry laws. LUCC is the best we've got. :cuss:
 

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marshaul wrote:
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I'm not botherd by Arpaio.
Well, you should be.

I can understand some of these 'Zonies, but a Californian (especially a proponent of OC such as yourself) ought to have learned well the value of the fourth amendment.

If you've lived in California this long, and still don't care about the 4th, then there's no hope. All I can say is, good luck with you OC activities. Without a 4th amendment, you're going to be facing charges sooner rather than later.

That's my prediction. :?
I'm not a native Kalifornian. The last time I checked, my 4th hasn't been waived. I doubt it is going to happen anytime soon. Be happy in your sanctuary city and keep your guns (if you have any) locked up... or man-up.
 

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You're aware that the sole reason for Theseus's conviction is a fourth amendment violation?

It's OK, you're too busy manning up to pay attention to the little details.
 

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marshaul wrote:
You're aware that the sole reason for Theseus's conviction is a fourth amendment violation?

It's OK, you're too busy manning up to pay attention to the little details.

Collusion between an activist judge and a resume building DA usually ends that way. The appeal process should fix it.

As for manning up, it just comes naturally. More people up there in Pelosistan should try it more often. It's easier to pay attention to details when you're not on a soapbox annoying people...it brings out your troll-like personality.


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