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OC getting hammered on another pro-2A site

estcrh

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If we are going to discuss open carry and how many people have had their guns taken away from them, we have to include cops in the summary. Why would we not include them? There's been quite a few cops shot and/or executed in the last 20 after their guns were taken away from them.
How many police officers have had their guns taken from them while off duty????? When I was arguing with the second in command of the 8the district police on New Orleans (The French Quarter) about my right to open carry one of the arguments that was brought up was a female police officer who had her service revolver taken from her while on duty...My point was that on a deserted street early in the morning if someone sees that I have a gun they will be less likely to even attempt something rather then me having to pull a concealed weapon out and possibly use it after someone tried something....an openly visible gun is a deterrent in certain situations and I do not think you can compare what happens to a police officer while on duty to a civilian just walking down a street at night or in the morning....but on the other hand I do have a concealed permit that I put to use on CROWDED streets and I think that all gun owners that can should have a concealed permit it they can as there are situations when its useful.
 

celticredneck

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They don't like open carry over there. I was banned for telling my open carry story on that web site.


I've discussed open carry quite a bit over there. They do have an open carry section on the forum. It is not supposed to be about OC vs CC, but rather where those who do open carry can discuss it. To quote the Open Carry Discussion rules at Defensivecarry.com:


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"Discussion regarding open carry in those States where it is legal to do so. This is not a place to debate the virtues of open vs concealed carry."

Some do get into OC vs CC, in spite of the stated rules, but I've seen those on both sides of the issue taken to task for it.
 

kootsoup

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Want something to "help" these people? Try this

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Kidding, of course... but I know a few who've been so adimate and closed-minded on the issue that I'd offer 'em one of these...lol

Dealt with it many times. I quit trying to sway them toward the obvious truth that it doesn't result in gun grabs, offending the public, and DOES have a tendency to deter BGs. I'm done trying. I just keep going back to it being a personal preference. I like having the options to CC or OC and both methods of carry have pros and cons. Not to mention, many who OC have a concealed BUG. Best of both worlds if you ask me. If I'm verbally attacked for being a proponent of OC, I quickly point out that BOTH methods of carry have (+)'s and (-)'s, therefore, to each his/her own. I won't try and sway someone who's strictly CC to OC and therefore don't expect someone to try and sway me from OC. It is what it is. Agree to disagree, basically. We're still on the same team (for the most part).

Yeah, I agree with what you wrote.. And I wasn't necessarily trying to sway them to OC, it was just that I had a couple forum stalkers that were finding my post's (on the open carry section of the DC forum) and slamming them with the above mentioned statements. I have posted a couple more times recently and they have left me along lately, which is good..
 

hopnpop

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Yeah, I agree with what you wrote.. And I wasn't necessarily trying to sway them to OC, it was just that I had a couple forum stalkers that were finding my post's (on the open carry section of the DC forum) and slamming them with the above mentioned statements. I have posted a couple more times recently and they have left me along lately, which is good..

I know exactly what you mean. After a year on this site I ventured over to MGO and quickly got beaten up for being a proponent of OC. And like you said, it's not like we're trying to get people to CONVERT from CC to OC, we're merely OCing and promoting carry, period. I was really bummed over how poorly OC is percieved over there and still primarily stick to this site. This site seems to be generally friendlier, which I like. I haven't run into such asses here as I immediately did there. I keep thinking how we're on the same team, I wish others would act like it. But there are those who honestly feel that the "boldness" of the OC movement will actually hinder their ability to legally CC. To them, we're not so much on the same team. In response to that, I say show me one solid example of how OC has hurt the legality of CC, and I'll STFU. Til then, I still consider us to be on the same team.
 

kwikrnu

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But there are those who honestly feel that the "boldness" of the OC movement will actually hinder their ability to legally CC. To them, we're not so much on the same team. In response to that, I say show me one solid example of how OC has hurt the legality of CC, and I'll STFU. Til then, I still consider us to be on the same team.


Didn't kwikrnu hurt the right to bear arms? It was repeated over and over that by open carrying he would single handedly destroy the right to bear arms. :lol:
 

Ruger

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One Solid Example

But there are those who honestly feel that the "boldness" of the OC movement will actually hinder their ability to legally CC. To them, we're not so much on the same team. In response to that, I say show me one solid example of how OC has hurt the legality of CC, and I'll STFU. Til then, I still consider us to be on the same team.

Here in North Carolina we have a fairly large grocery store chain called Harris Teeter. Earlier this year all stores posted a sign stating "No Weapons - Concealed or Otherwise". Calls to corporate revealed that this was done in response to customer complaints in the Charlotte area over the sight of folks OC'ing. So, you could say that because some OC'ers pissed off some other customers (who then complained), suddenly no one could legally carry in any Harris Teeter store. Fortunately, our local gun-rights organization, Grass Roots NC, jumped on this, and within a month of the signs going up, we were once again able to carry in Harris Teeter stores.
 

hopnpop

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Here in North Carolina we have a fairly large grocery store chain called Harris Teeter. Earlier this year all stores posted a sign stating "No Weapons - Concealed or Otherwise". Calls to corporate revealed that this was done in response to customer complaints in the Charlotte area over the sight of folks OC'ing. So, you could say that because some OC'ers pissed off some other customers (who then complained), suddenly no one could legally carry in any Harris Teeter store. Fortunately, our local gun-rights organization, Grass Roots NC, jumped on this, and within a month of the signs going up, we were once again able to carry in Harris Teeter stores.

Well, bravo for regaining your right to CC there - glad to hear that. I wasn't speaking so much of private properties as I was legislation, but point taken. Being in, and rarely leaving Michigan, I sometimes forget how poorly recieved OC (and CC for that matter) can be elsewhere, other than in the states that are in national headlines on a daily basis. Just out of curiosity, do those stores now only allow CC? Or did they come full circle and decide to retract their entire firearms policy and allow both OC and CC?

...and even though I was meaning legislative restrictions of carry and not private properties....does that still mean I have to STFU now? :confused:
 

hopnpop

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Ah - I had you all wrong, Ruger. For some reason I got the impression from your post that you were pro-CC, anti-OC. I know, logically, someone anti-OC wouldn't be hanging out here at OCDO, altho there are a few. Sorry to have misjudged you. That said, I'm 100% on-board with you on OCing there now. I actually got a chuckle out of the OC-induced ban being shot down (so to speak) in such short order! Another win for the GG's! Bottom line: glad they reconsidered their stance. Carry on.
 

Ruger

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Yes, I am very much pro-OC, and I do OC often. However, while I carry every day, I don't open carry every day. I do understand the pro-CC-anti-OC folks' concern about OC potentially making it so that we can't carry in ANY fashion in some places. While things went pretty well with Harris Teeter, what if they hadn't? I often wrestle with this concept.
 

SlackwareRobert

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Don't count cops, reasons .....
1. An armed citizen has more discretion to stop a threat, without rules of enguagement from pencil pushers.
2. Citizens take care of their weapons, so don't leave them in the john to be grabbed.
3. Citizens are not a threat to BG if they leave us alone.
4. Citizens are more likely to hit what we shoot at, BG's don't like that.
5. All that extra space for extra mags and bugs, since we don't carry cuffs, tazers, and badges.
6. Citizens won't be drunk in the bar, or falling down drunk on the street when armed, so no easy grab.
 

hopnpop

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Ruger> I, too, understand the pro-CC/anti-OC concern. Understanding it doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with it. If, say, that chain of stores banned outright any type of carry, then I and most others would simply find somewhere else to shop, or go along with the "rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" mentality (meaning going ahead with CC because no one would know unless you had to USE it, in which case, policies be damned, I'm still alive!). We've gone through similar instances up here with Meijer stores, and some Wal-Marts. If we can't get them to change policy, we'll shop elsewhere or take the chance to CC.

Robert> interesting perspective. A little humorous, but for the most part, true. Good points. I won't say that all citizens who carry are angels, but there doesn't seem to be nearly as many stories or headlines regarding citizens leaving their guns in bathrooms, or being three sheets to the wind and discharging their guns in or outside of bars, etc.

Note: I'm not bashing LEOs, nor am I anti-LEO. Just that there's a bad apple in every bunch, and with LEOs being held to a higher standard of safety, those rotten apples really do stand out.
 
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