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Sorry for my lack of response. I have been receiving timeouts from the server for the past day and a half.
I now see 13 people are interested in having an OC gathering in Las Vegas. I have not received a PM from anyone so we can coordinate a date and time.
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From the Nevada State Constitution:
Sec. 11. Right to keep and bear arms; civil power supreme. 1. Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes.
It does not say "Nevada citizen" -- it says "citizen". I am a citizen of Virginia. Therefore, as far as I can tell, I'm being denied my "...right to keep and bear arms for security and defense...."
Unfortunately, some doofus in a black dress probably decided that permits for carry are constitutional (Nevada, not Federal). I just don't know at this point.
The main problem is that in Constitutional law, the Constitution means what was meant at the time it was written. It is not supposed to be modified by judicial decree. However, that's not what's been established. So, we're here because WE have gone along with the program. CCW permits are a symptom of this judicial modification of constitutions.
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Some notes:
The options are:
1) To heck with it and not say or do anything.
2) Increase awareness of the issue with a gathering
3) Sue
4) Try to get jacked up by police and take my chances in court
5) Start a shooting war
#5 isn't going to happen, though Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry are probably screaming at me from their graves. Neither is #4. #3 is a possibility if I can get legal help. The city and state are hoping for #1 and I don't want to let them off the hook. That leaves option 2.
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Goals: Again, Nevada is denying me the RKBA through bureaucratic fiat. There is no way for me to acquire a Nevada carry permit in three weeks. Additionally, I'll have to pay a fee for the permit and pay for a "class" on how to carry in Nevada. Therefore:
A) I'm being taxed for a right
B) I'm being denied my right to keep and bear arms because of an executive's decision to suppress open carry in the jurisdiction.
If I had the money, I would sue. I am not willing to do this "for free" (with the cost being jail time for "illegal" concealed carry).
Given option #3, who are the "go to" lawyers for RKBA issues in Nevada?
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One thing I have noticed are the responses of supposedly "pro-gun" people on other gun forums. They are exceedingly negative AND COMPLETELY UNWILLING TO TAKE ACTION TO SUPPORT THE RKBA. It's really quite sad; I have the feeling that the RKBA really is on life support. The vaunted "militias" and "guns behind every blade of grass" no longer exist in this country. No wonder Congress and The President are not afraid to implement whatever schemes they want.
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In summary, we need to decide what we're going to do. I'll need PMs from people who are committed to showing up to this during the work week. If only a few people can show up, the gathering for expanding awareness is probably not worth it. I'd rather just meet some shooters for lunch. No need to "piss in the wind" over this if availability is scanty. Maybe going through the courts is the only way to get a decision.