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Race–gender bias in white Americans’ preferences for gun availability

Doug_Nightmare

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We argue that Americans’ policy attitudes on firearm availability are influenced by the identity of the prospective owner. We use an experiment to demonstrate that attitudes towards gun control/availability are influenced by both race and gender; whether subjects are primed to think of African-Americans versus whites or men versus women has a substantial impact on the degree to which they support firearm access. We find that for many white Americans, Black men and white women stand on opposite poles – priming white Americans with the thought of a Black man decreases support for gun availability, whereas priming the thought of a white woman increases support for gun availability. Further, the magnitude of this effect is quite large – comparable to the difference between Democrats and Republicans. These findings underscore the importance of thinking about the complicated role identity groups play in understanding Americans’ preferences for government (in)action, even in policy areas with explicit Constitutional mandates.



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color of law

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Gender: meaning the difference between "sissy" and "butch" or "pansy" and "strongling"? Or the difference between carrying a "girly gun" versus a "manly gun"?
 

mcflyj

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In my experience it's always been guns for cops and the friends of cops. If a cop takes issue with someone, they are gonna have a hard time trying to own and/or carry. Race plays a part in it too as there are many cops who take issue with black people.. Philando Castile was pulled over with a tail light issue, had a legal carry permit and did everything the cop told him to. If you watch the video of that stop you can see where the cop was clearly out of control, in panic mode screaming and ranting. Courts ruled the cop justified and even the NRA takes up for the cop. This cop took issue with a black man having a gun.

But it's not always about race. Dillon Taylor was murdered for his music headphones, John T Williams for a small carving knife, Daniel Shaver was face down begging for his life and cops were playing a sadistic game of Simon Says before killing him in cold blood. Compare that to a 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse who shot and killed those protesting the police, cops waived him on by and let him go home that night.

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JTHunter2

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Are you aware of the fact that more "African-Americans" are killed by other "African-Americans" than are killed by police? If not, you should be as THAT is where you should direct your efforts.
And why is that the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (aka "Sharptongue") NEVER seem to be around to cry about a black killing another black? Why do they only seem to show up to "fan the flames of racial tension" when blacks have been killed someone other than another black?
Explain that if you can, but I doubt you'll even try.
 

mcflyj

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White people kill white people and black people kill black people, and they go to prison for it, or they should if they don't. But few if anyone is saying the same thing about cops killing anyone be they black or white. Not that I would want to, but I can't shoot a 20 year young man because I perceived a threat from his music headphones and get away with it, but a cop did exactly that, murdered Dillon Taylor. My point is that cops aren't the most fit people to have guns, far from it and yet they are the most widely accepted people to carry. No one questions a cop's carry. If they did they likely would go to jail for it.

The cops treated Kyle Ritenhouse like a king before and after he shot and killed protesters. They didn't take issue with him because he was there to take up for the cops at a protest against abusive cops.

Breonna Taylor --- Charles Calhoun --- Tamir Rice --- Botham Jean --- Daniel Shaver --- Philando Castile --- John Crawford --- Luis Rodriguez --- Dillon Taylor --- John T Williams --- Kelly Thomas --- Casey Goodson --- Adam Toledo --- Hannah Fizer --- Justine Damond --- Dontrell Stephens --- Denise Williams --- Fanta Bility --- Andrew Brown --- Ronald Greene --- Winston Smith --- Elijah McClain --- Joshua Feast --- Ahmaud Arbery --- Trayvon Martin are just a few of their murder victims. Many don't even make the news.

Give or take cops kill 1200 people a year in the US, they abduct, rob, rape, and extort many times more than that in a day. These are the people who get to decide who owns and carries. I know those who went through the process of getting a conceal permit and I ask them how it feels to go begging to a sheriff as the final step in the process. I can't believe that these are the ones who have the final say with their own history of abusing gun carry and getting away with it.

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SFCRetired

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This is an argument that has gone in circles for much of my life. 1. I can walk down almost any street in my state while open carrying and never see a cop with so much as a raised eyebrow. 2. Let a black person do the same, even in these modern times, and he/she will be very lucky to escape with their life. Most probably will spend some days in jail. 3. Understand that this comment is not, repeat NOT, bashing police, but my perception is that far too many law enforcement agencies at the state and local level are, at best, lax in their training standards. This is especially true in the area of knowledge of the law. Haven't we said it many times on this forum, "Do not ask LE about law"?

Friends, the answers are multiple, center around training and education, and are far too numerous and, indeed, complicated to be addressed here.
 

gutshot II

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This is an argument that has gone in circles for much of my life. 1. I can walk down almost any street in my state while open carrying and never see a cop with so much as a raised eyebrow. 2. Let a black person do the same, even in these modern times, and he/she will be very lucky to escape with their life. Most probably will spend some days in jail. 3. Understand that this comment is not, repeat NOT, bashing police, but my perception is that far too many law enforcement agencies at the state and local level are, at best, lax in their training standards. This is especially true in the area of knowledge of the law. Haven't we said it many times on this forum, "Do not ask LE about law"?

Friends, the answers are multiple, center around training and education, and are far too numerous and, indeed, complicated to be addressed here.
The situation that you describe was also true for Ky. but that was 20 years ago. It may be possible to run across an isolated incident in an isolated place that resembles what you describe. I see black people OC all the time, here in Ky.. Some blacks that I have talked to express some hesitation to OC but the same can be said for white people. Those days are long gone in the Bluegrass State.
 

SFCRetired

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It may be that the difference is in which state you are in. There are some counties in my state where you would think you had stepped back in time those twenty years, if not more. Don't get my wrong; I love my home state, but there are some here, especially in LE (or so it seems), that cannot understand that it is 2022, not 1955.
 

Scary Guy

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Are you aware of the fact that more "African-Americans" are killed by other "African-Americans" than are killed by police? If not, you should be as THAT is where you should direct your efforts.
And why is that the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (aka "Sharptongue") NEVER seem to be around to cry about a black killing another black? Why do they only seem to show up to "fan the flames of racial tension" when blacks have been killed someone other than another black?
Explain that if you can, but I doubt you'll even try.

I can explain this, and the answer is money. Most people don't care about black on black violence, so the news networks don't care about it because it generates very few views. For the most part if it is black on black, they're only interested if it's some actor, musician, or sports athlete.

Also sometimes it is covered but they don't dedicate a lot of time to the segment either. Or maybe it just gets mentioned on the scroll (if there is one) if anything.

At the local affiliate level though it's a bit different. If a market is predominantly black they will cover that more than usual, but only if the violence itself was also done locally.


As far as the ongoing black vs. white thing goes it really isn't about that (for the most part, not saying racists don't exist.) It's mostly the rich vs. the poor. That's its own gigantic topic though.


When it comes to Kyle, I think he had every right to go where he pleased (1st amendment) and protect himself (2nd amendment.) I think in the same situation though if it were a black guy they probably would not get the same treatment from the cops.
 
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