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Silencer for your carry gun

Ruger .454

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Kwikrnu: You posted what I said and then asked if I said something different. I didn't. On the other hand, you said that owning and using a silencer was "essential," which I and several others have indicated is, to put it gently, a poor argument. So here's my final contribution to this thread: Do you currently own a silencer? If not, how can owning one possibly be essential to you?
 

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Kwikrnu: You posted what I said and then asked if I said something different. I didn't. On the other hand, you said that owning and using a silencer was "essential," which I and several others have indicated is, to put it gently, a poor argument. So here's my final contribution to this thread: Do you currently own a silencer? If not, how can owning one possibly be essential to you?

I own a silencer, but not yet in possesion of it. My sheriff decided he would break the law and not execute the atf documents.
 

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Here is a scenario for you;

Multiple BG's are coming after you. You pull your silenced gun and fire. The BG's dont hear the crack of the firearm so they continue to come after you. Its not like in the movies, where you will just camly pick them off with your silenced gun. No one else in the area hears the gunfire either and dont call the police. No muzzle flash either so the BG's dont see anything either.

Scene #2; BG's coming after you, you try to pull out your now very long barreled firearm out, cathes on the lip of the holster and you drop it.

Scene #3; BG's coming after you, you fire your unsilenced firearm. BG's realize your armed and shooting at them. They run and scatter leaving you safe to flee the area.

Did you ever see any of those youtube videos of those punks shooting up the bar. Unloaded several magazines and didnt hit anyone? Under such circumstances even trained professionals have trouble hitting what their aming at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOiF_BStHk
 

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bigdaddy1, I don't think you understand how loud a "silenced" firearm is. Reduction from most is 20-30 decibels at the best IIRC, unless you're shooting a .22 rifle with a can you're still going to hear the shot - well over 100 decibels even after suppression in most calibers. They do make the noise more bearable (especially without hearing protection) and in theory also make it harder to determine the origin of the shots by sound.

The long barrel disadvantage is a reasonable argument, although there are some small silencers for small guns (like the G26) that wouldn't be much longer than a full-size gun.
 

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bigdaddy1, I don't think you understand how loud a "silenced" firearm is. Reduction from most is 20-30 decibels at the best IIRC, unless you're shooting a .22 rifle with a can you're still going to hear the shot - well over 100 decibels even after suppression in most calibers. They do make the noise more bearable (especially without hearing protection) and in theory also make it harder to determine the origin of the shots by sound.

The long barrel disadvantage is a reasonable argument, although there are some small silencers for small guns (like the G26) that wouldn't be much longer than a full-size gun.

Aue contrair my friend. The primary use of a "silencer" is to disguise the sound, not cover it. So I am very familiar with what it does and how it works. It is nothing like the movies show. BG's will still not know your fireing at them unless they are very close, and then you are in danger of being overwhelmed. Assuming they do not visually see you holding the firearm.

Keep in mind that under the stress of an attack, you are not going to be able to manuver the same way you can at the range. Your heart will be pounding, your hands will NOT be steady and your mind will not be clear. Anyone who says they would be other wise is only fooling themselves.
 
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rob99vmi04

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Suppressing any gun will reduces the reliability of the firearm. This is expecially noticed on guns that are smaller such as a G26 or G36. Suppressed guns are not 100% reliable, therefore, I would not carry one, nor would I encounrage somebody to carry one.
 

theqbn

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Aue contrair my friend. The primary use of a "silencer" is to disguise the sound, not cover it. So I am very familiar with what it does and how it works. It is nothing like the movies show. BG's will still not know your fireing at them unless they are very close, and then you are in danger of being overwhelmed. Assuming they do not visually see you holding the firearm.

How do you claim that they aren't going to know you're shooting at them? What distances are you envisioning? Accepted self-defense distances are about 21-25 feet.
 

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Worse than you say

bigdaddy1, I don't think you understand how loud a "silenced" firearm is. Reduction from most is 20-30 decibels at the best IIRC, unless you're shooting a .22 rifle with a can you're still going to hear the shot - well over 100 decibels even after suppression in most calibers. They do make the noise more bearable (especially without hearing protection) and in theory also make it harder to determine the origin of the shots by sound.

The long barrel disadvantage is a reasonable argument, although there are some small silencers for small guns (like the G26) that wouldn't be much longer than a full-size gun.
There are only a few silencers on the market for center-fire pistols that make them 'hearing safe' That means the vast majority of silencer can still damage your hearing.

Welcome to reality people. Hollywood is full of ****.
 
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bigdaddy1

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How do you claim that they aren't going to know you're shooting at them? What distances are you envisioning? Accepted self-defense distances are about 21-25 feet.

I was envisioning the worst case scenario, as in a gun battle (I know, not a realistic position). In reality you would be lucky of you are 21 feet away from a potential assailant. Most likely the BG will be with in a few feet of you. I can not invision a BG yelling at you from 20 feet or so "I'm going to rob you when I get there". They are going to be right next to you and say "give me your wallet"

I still would want the crack of my firearm to stand as a warning and alert. I will accept some ear ringing as a consiquence.
 

SlackwareRobert

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But on the good side, technology is advancing, Hoover Tac has a rifle and the barrel is the silencer.
Adapting to pistol length shouldn't be to much longer. Should solve the CA threaded barrel issue also.
Street junkie won't want to involve the feds and will move on to better sheep, so even if they want the gun the federal charges from the silencer would stop them from jumping you.

Where needed.....
1.) riot in front of building, as you sneak out the back you run into one of the goons relieving themselves and he doesn't want you testifying against him committing a sex crime, and you don't want the gang out front to pummel you after you run out of ammo.

2.) You need to stop a car jacking, even with hearing protection my ears were ringing for 30 minutes,
closed environment is brutal to your ears.

3.) It lets the leo to know you can afford to defend your rights in court.

What happens to an officer who takes a silencer without PC, and he doesn't have a class III license for it?

Best of all, BHO v AZ, local permit laws would interfere with the federal permission to carry the silencer and so are unconstitutional if you have`a silencer on your gun. Go Holder, Go!

I volunteered to make one and be the test case if they passed the local instate 2a law. As there is not one in existence in the entire country, they won't be able to argue interstate commerce at all.
Impractical for SD when mobile, but great to not wake the kids and expose them to a BG missing a large section of their chest cavity in the middle of the night.
 

Tawnos

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LMAO - you mean moot

Does he? Moot means arguable or debatable (though it can mean the result of the debate says nothing). Mute means silent. A moot point is one that can be argued or debated. A mute point is one that makes no sound/says nothing. Both can be correct, depending on the intent :)
 

MSC 45ACP

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Correct nomenclature

Would you all PLEASE start using the CORRECT nomenclature for this discussion (and all others)???

There is NO SUCH thing as a "Silencer". There are only SUPRESSED firearms, not silenced. Some military forces use supressors with a great deal of success. It really isn't a practical idea to use one in sudden, unplanned personal protection, for many reasons already mentioned. If you are involved in a self-defense shooting, your own hearing loss is only temporary. The loudest thing you will hear besides the discharge of your firearm (or others) is going to be your own pulse in your ears. Your own nervous system has a tendancy to "shut down" your hearing input at the moment your weapon discharges.
Talk to a medical professional for an explanation... I don't know why, it just does. Your hearing comes back in about an hour or so, depending on the proximity to the discharge and the acoustics of the area.

Good luck in court when the defense starts wondering why you have a supressor. Appearances are EVERYTHING! Your entire life (including your posts on OCDO and the rest of the Internet) will come under the microscope. Welcome to the Information Age.
 
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