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What would it take to change current arms restrictions in North Carolina?

Custodian

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Supposedly, we have a pretty Republican (If you ask me statist, especially McCrory for harumphing and upholding Steve Troxler's <and his own predecessor's> rule over CC at the State Fair) representation in North Carolina now.

What do you think it would take to get, as either a general statute or amendment to state constitution for:

Constitutional Carry/ the elimination of the concealed handgun permit system

The elimination of the pistol purchase permit system

Repeal and elimination of the laws for knives (true switchblades) and other melee weapons such as brass knuckles

And who would or could be the major players in this? Certain representatives? State senators? GRNC? Friends of the NRA?
 
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Supposedly, we have a pretty Republican (If you ask me statist, especially McCrory for harumphing and upholding Steve Troxler's <and his own predecessor's> rule over CC at the State Fair) North Carolina now.

What do you think it would take to get, as either a general statute or amendment to state constitution for:

Constitutional Carry/ the elimination of the concealed handgun permit system

The elimination of the pistol purchase permit system

Repeal and elimination of the laws for knives (true switchblades) and other melee weapons such as brass knuckles

And who would or could be the major players in this? Certain representatives? State senators? GRNC? Friends of the NRA?

GRNC made it clear with posts from PV that they are not interested in constitutional conceal carry, or OC becoming more sound. They are likely to push for repeal of PPP because that Jim Crowe law actually has some benefits, not having to mess with BC checks at the FFL. But they still are a infringement, same as background checks. I would rather do away with both, but that would hurt the P4P industry because using a CHP to purchase a firearm is a major selling point for CHP. Even with those that don't even carry.

Get the courts to recognize OC at the fairgrounds and see how fast the statists break their back to legalize CC carry at the fair grounds. For some reason some people have no fear of firearms if they cannot see them. If they can see them they are devil's implement.
 

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How?

WW, How do you get the courts to recognize OC at the fairgrounds? The highest Court in NC already upheld the ban on OC. If there is a way, let's start it.
 

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I would rather do away with both, but that would hurt the P4P industry because using a CHP to purchase a firearm is a major selling point for CHP. Even with those that don't even carry.

The current P4P system of the NCCHP forces city, county, and state employees in many fields to obtain one to merely possess on inside their vehicles on government property (which is & why how I got one when I was a corrections officer, oh and detection dogs and officers routinely checked cars at the prison too, so no getting around it or going Gung ho).

The NCCHP system it seems is the monster that must be slayed. Problem is it was GRNC's brain child and go to system when they wanna use it as a talking point to liberals and statists.
 

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WW, How do you get the courts to recognize OC at the fairgrounds? The highest Court in NC already upheld the ban on OC. If there is a way, let's start it.

Federal court, but with legislation from the bench, as for any goal would be chancy. The problem should have been fixed by NC courts, but that did not meet their agenda. Honestly the framers screwed up, by not adding a amendment that all amendments be taken literally and not changed by simple desire to change them.

Remember also the "right" was not taken before the NC courts, the privilege was. In NC the privilege to control CHP is clearly spelled out in the NC constitution, so NC can do anything they wish with that privilege at any time. GRNC DID NOT argue for OC, the right, they argued for CHP. Time and time again when one goes to court to demand a privilege they get slapped in the face.

When will GRNC learn that with support of both CC and OC they could make even more money? When will gun owners realize that P4P is not a right? Those answers and many more are left swinging in the wind by GRNC.



Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

I would say the next step would be to change the NC constitution, if even possible with the number of Yankees that have moved to the state.
 
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Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

I would say the next step would be to change the NC constitution, if even possible with the number of Yankees that have moved to the state.

Why not simply pursue a case that instead of demanding the privilege of CP, demands the right as already stipulated in the constitution for OC? Nothing in the State Constitution provides any ability to the government of the State to restrict OC on fairgrounds. Thus challenge on the denied right of OC...
 

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Why not simply pursue a case that instead of demanding the privilege of CP, demands the right as already stipulated in the constitution for OC? Nothing in the State Constitution provides any ability to the government of the State to restrict OC on fairgrounds. Thus challenge on the denied right of OC...

I suppose, but so far the so claimed 2A attorneys and organizations do not want to touch it. They concentrate on CC. There is a lot of expense with such a case that most individuals could not afford, and local attorneys do not have the funds. We really need to hold GRNC and NRA feet to the fire, but they have done a brilliant job of marketing concealed carry. Go to any other site than this one and the hatred for OC is astounding, and sickening. It has gotten better over the last couple years probably do to the efforts of OCT, they have opened eyes across the country.
 
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