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ALERT!!! KLINE sets hearing on AWB legislation
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Squeak
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DEROS72 wrote:
DEROS72 wrote:
NO COMB? You'll never last the day!:lol:
gogodawgs
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Trigger Dr wrote:
:?
Trigger Dr wrote:
I wish I could! One of the draw backs about working for a BIG company is all of the stuff I have to deal with.
:?
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Squeak wrote:
Well excuse me guys that video and the woman in rocked so I'm going to go clean weapons and polish my bullets ...
Squeak wrote:
Damn Squeak your right...I better go back to the other kit....I wouldn't make without the gel.
Well excuse me guys that video and the woman in rocked so I'm going to go clean weapons and polish my bullets ...
Trigger Dr
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I think I saw a bottle of ROGAINE in that kit
I think I saw a bottle of ROGAINE in that kit
amzbrady
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How many threads are there on this? Lets pick on and stick with it.
OK, people are talking of meeting at 8:30 am, Meeting is at 10 am right?
I got the gas money up, now I just need to find a sitter. The one we usually use is not available tue. How long is this estimated to last, any ideas? I have a three hour drive so this is going to be, wow, hard to say the least. Wish I had the money, to stay the night at a hotel. Are kids allowed?
How many threads are there on this? Lets pick on and stick with it.
OK, people are talking of meeting at 8:30 am, Meeting is at 10 am right?
I got the gas money up, now I just need to find a sitter. The one we usually use is not available tue. How long is this estimated to last, any ideas? I have a three hour drive so this is going to be, wow, hard to say the least. Wish I had the money, to stay the night at a hotel. Are kids allowed?
swatspyder
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amzbrady wrote:
Location information.
I am not sure about the kids thing. I would guess they would be allowed in.
amzbrady wrote:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/37052.html
Location information.
I am not sure about the kids thing. I would guess they would be allowed in.
kschmadeka
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I just posted my written testimony on my blog. It covers what "arms" are constitutionally protected, the Aaron Sullivan murder, and police officer safety issues. Feel free to borrow from it for your written or spoken testimony.
http://frpwa.com
P.S. LEO's should have a look, there's info that concerns them. PM to reply.
I just posted my written testimony on my blog. It covers what "arms" are constitutionally protected, the Aaron Sullivan murder, and police officer safety issues. Feel free to borrow from it for your written or spoken testimony.
http://frpwa.com
P.S. LEO's should have a look, there's info that concerns them. PM to reply.
Bill Starks
State Researcher
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Assault weapons ban likely to fail
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010879346_apwaxgrguncontrol.html?syndication=rss
By BRIAN EVERSTINE
Associated Press Writer
OLYMPIA, Wash. —
After 2009 ended in a hail of high-profile gun violence, Washington state's gun-control advocates are frustrated by an apparent lack of political support for an assault weapons ban, warning that the state will likely face more deadly shootings without it.
The bill comes just weeks after a spate of deadly police shootings, and proponents of the ban say those killings should force politicians to confront gun violence.
"There's more guns, a repressed economy and a lot of angry people," said Ralph Fascitelli, board chairman for state gun control group Washington Ceasefire. "You can't sweep this problem under a rug. Apparently the shooting of eight police isn't enough to confront gun violence in the state."
The bill was named in honor of 18-year-old Aaron Sullivan, who was shot and killed by a SKS 7.62-caliber rifle in Seattle in July. The legislation focuses on "military-style" assault weapons, which can fire rapidly and carry large magazines of ammunition.
Similar bans have not fared well in the state Legislature in the past, and in an election year, supporters face a battle to even get the bill out of committee.
"I will do everything I can to pass this bill this year," said Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, the sponsor of the bill and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. A hearing on the bill is scheduled for Tuesday.
Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, said she is mobilizing with other lawmakers against the bill. Since it was announced, her office has received more than 1,000 e-mails asking the Senate to defeat it, Roach said. "We're going to do everything we can to make sure (Kline) doesn't diminish the Second Amendment right," she said.
The National Rifle Association and the Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are also lobbying against it.
Alan Gottlieb, the director of the Citizen's Committee and the Second Amendment Foundation, said he is confident the bill will fail. Not many Democrats, especially those in more conservative districts, want to come out against gun rights in an election year, he said.
"It's extreme," Gottlieb said. "I am kind of surprised they put it in, because it riles up our people."
The bill could have a tough time getting out of Kline's committee, which has five Democrats and three Republicans. One of the Democrats, Sen. Jim Hargrove of Hoquiam, says he will vote no.
Gov. Chris Gregoire said she has not reviewed the bill or closely followed its process, instead choosing to focus on the group of bills that came in response to recent police shooting, including better communication between law enforcement on jail bookings and releases, a review of the bail bonds system, and enhanced benefits for survivors of officers who die in the line of duty.
Sponsors said the bill is similar to the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. It would cover an array of different pistols, shotguns and rifles, including semiautomatic rifles with large ammunition magazines and pistol-grip stocks.
"We're trying to protect the police, we're trying to protect the youth and this is one step to prevent gun violence," Fascitelli said.
Owners of weapons affected by the bill would be able to keep them if they allow the local sheriff's department to inspect and make sure they are stored "safely and securely." The weapons can still be used at firing ranges.
"We're not going to take away anybody's weapon," Kline said. "There will be zero confiscation of weapons, but there will be no new weapons allowed."
The bill has been endorsed by groups such as Washington Ceasefire, the International Association of Police Chiefs, the Jewish Federation of Seattle and the United African Political Action Committee, among others. Seattle police spokesman Mark Jamieson said the department has not taken a position on the bill.
Supporters also have referenced the murder of Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton, who was shot to death in his patrol car on Halloween. Police have said they found an assault rifle at the apartment of Christopher Monfort, the man charged with killing Brenton.
Four Lakewood police officers slain in November were shot with handguns, as were two Pierce County deputies who were ambushed in December. One of the deputies later died from his injuries.
Roach, however, said such high-profile gun crimes are not about the weapons that were used, but the people using them. The crimes show the need for people to defend themselves with firearms, she said.
"Trying to pull in sympathies of the tragedies that occurred recently does not address the underlying issue, which is someone being able to protect themselves in those situations," Roach said.
Assault weapons ban likely to fail
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010879346_apwaxgrguncontrol.html?syndication=rss
By BRIAN EVERSTINE
Associated Press Writer
OLYMPIA, Wash. —
After 2009 ended in a hail of high-profile gun violence, Washington state's gun-control advocates are frustrated by an apparent lack of political support for an assault weapons ban, warning that the state will likely face more deadly shootings without it.
The bill comes just weeks after a spate of deadly police shootings, and proponents of the ban say those killings should force politicians to confront gun violence.
"There's more guns, a repressed economy and a lot of angry people," said Ralph Fascitelli, board chairman for state gun control group Washington Ceasefire. "You can't sweep this problem under a rug. Apparently the shooting of eight police isn't enough to confront gun violence in the state."
The bill was named in honor of 18-year-old Aaron Sullivan, who was shot and killed by a SKS 7.62-caliber rifle in Seattle in July. The legislation focuses on "military-style" assault weapons, which can fire rapidly and carry large magazines of ammunition.
Similar bans have not fared well in the state Legislature in the past, and in an election year, supporters face a battle to even get the bill out of committee.
"I will do everything I can to pass this bill this year," said Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, the sponsor of the bill and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. A hearing on the bill is scheduled for Tuesday.
Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, said she is mobilizing with other lawmakers against the bill. Since it was announced, her office has received more than 1,000 e-mails asking the Senate to defeat it, Roach said. "We're going to do everything we can to make sure (Kline) doesn't diminish the Second Amendment right," she said.
The National Rifle Association and the Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are also lobbying against it.
Alan Gottlieb, the director of the Citizen's Committee and the Second Amendment Foundation, said he is confident the bill will fail. Not many Democrats, especially those in more conservative districts, want to come out against gun rights in an election year, he said.
"It's extreme," Gottlieb said. "I am kind of surprised they put it in, because it riles up our people."
The bill could have a tough time getting out of Kline's committee, which has five Democrats and three Republicans. One of the Democrats, Sen. Jim Hargrove of Hoquiam, says he will vote no.
Gov. Chris Gregoire said she has not reviewed the bill or closely followed its process, instead choosing to focus on the group of bills that came in response to recent police shooting, including better communication between law enforcement on jail bookings and releases, a review of the bail bonds system, and enhanced benefits for survivors of officers who die in the line of duty.
Sponsors said the bill is similar to the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. It would cover an array of different pistols, shotguns and rifles, including semiautomatic rifles with large ammunition magazines and pistol-grip stocks.
"We're trying to protect the police, we're trying to protect the youth and this is one step to prevent gun violence," Fascitelli said.
Owners of weapons affected by the bill would be able to keep them if they allow the local sheriff's department to inspect and make sure they are stored "safely and securely." The weapons can still be used at firing ranges.
"We're not going to take away anybody's weapon," Kline said. "There will be zero confiscation of weapons, but there will be no new weapons allowed."
The bill has been endorsed by groups such as Washington Ceasefire, the International Association of Police Chiefs, the Jewish Federation of Seattle and the United African Political Action Committee, among others. Seattle police spokesman Mark Jamieson said the department has not taken a position on the bill.
Supporters also have referenced the murder of Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton, who was shot to death in his patrol car on Halloween. Police have said they found an assault rifle at the apartment of Christopher Monfort, the man charged with killing Brenton.
Four Lakewood police officers slain in November were shot with handguns, as were two Pierce County deputies who were ambushed in December. One of the deputies later died from his injuries.
Roach, however, said such high-profile gun crimes are not about the weapons that were used, but the people using them. The crimes show the need for people to defend themselves with firearms, she said.
"Trying to pull in sympathies of the tragedies that occurred recently does not address the underlying issue, which is someone being able to protect themselves in those situations," Roach said.
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I'm taking a day off from work to go. Hope some of you can go too. This needs to be brought into the light of day for gun owners in this state. Here's some info you may find helpful.
I was there for the Gun Show Bill. They limited public testimony but the numbers of pro-gun folks in the gallery (they went to overflow seating) spoke volumes. So don't be disappointed if you don't get to speak. Dresswell. If you do get to speak, I think the cleaned up image goes further for usas opposed to a "Make my day" T-shirt.
You should be able to bring your children but prepare for a long day. (Bring snacks!)
There may be added security due to the topic at hand. Given that the majority of the posters here are advocates of open carry, please be aware of the following.
9.41 RCW on the state capitol grounds or in any building on the state capitol grounds: Provided, That this regulation shall not apply to duly authorized federal, state, and local law enforcement officers or to any federal, state, and local government employee authorized to carry firearms in the course of their public employment; and: Provided, That a person may carry a firearm in accordance with chapter 9.41 RCW.
The following is from Goal Post 2010-3:
A public hearing will be conducted on SB 6396, the so-called “assault weapon” ban bill on Tuesday, 26 January. The hearing will take place at 10 a.m. in Senate Hearing Room “1” in the John A. Cherberg Senate Office Building on the Capitol Campus in Olympia.
It is imperative that as many individuals as possible attend the hearing and sign in in opposition to the bill. A sign-in sheet will be available at a side table just inside the hearing room (or if the crowd is large enough, the sign-in sheet may be outside the room in the corridor). Sign in with your name, address and a position on the bill: “con.” There is a place on the sign-in sheet to indicate whether or not you would like to testify. Time is limited, so I anticipate only a few individuals will be called upon on both sides of the issue. Who gets to testify and who does not is solely up to the committee chair (Senator Adam Kline, sponsor of the bill).
Hints on testimony: public input is limited to three minutes or less. Begin by stating your name and where you are from. Personal attacks on the motives of bill supporters are not allowed. If a point has already been made, do not repeat it. As with a letter to the editor, short, concise points are best. While reference to “cold, dead fingers” may be dramatic, this is NOT a drama. Courtesy is a virtue!
Parking in and around the Capitol Campus is extremely limited. Olympia parking enforcement makes a ton of money enforcing the one-hour limit in the residential areas just south of the Campus! If the spaces on Campus or overflow parking lots to the east are taken, it’s best to park in the business area in the blocks to the north, using the parking meters. Car-pooling is the way to go!
It is equally imperative that, whether you can attend the hearing or not, you contact your Senator, by e-mail (https://dlr.leg.wa.gov/MemberEmail/Default.aspx), direct telephone (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx) or Legislative Hotline (1-800-562-6000) to indicate your opposition to the bill.
A committee vote on the bill will likely be taken a few days later in executive session. The Judiciary Committee has eight members, five Democrats and three Republicans (matching the proportion of Democrats to Republicans in the Senate). The three Republicans and one Democrat lean our way.
I'm taking a day off from work to go. Hope some of you can go too. This needs to be brought into the light of day for gun owners in this state. Here's some info you may find helpful.
I was there for the Gun Show Bill. They limited public testimony but the numbers of pro-gun folks in the gallery (they went to overflow seating) spoke volumes. So don't be disappointed if you don't get to speak. Dresswell. If you do get to speak, I think the cleaned up image goes further for usas opposed to a "Make my day" T-shirt.
You should be able to bring your children but prepare for a long day. (Bring snacks!)
There may be added security due to the topic at hand. Given that the majority of the posters here are advocates of open carry, please be aware of the following.
9.41 RCW on the state capitol grounds or in any building on the state capitol grounds: Provided, That this regulation shall not apply to duly authorized federal, state, and local law enforcement officers or to any federal, state, and local government employee authorized to carry firearms in the course of their public employment; and: Provided, That a person may carry a firearm in accordance with chapter 9.41 RCW.
The following is from Goal Post 2010-3:
A public hearing will be conducted on SB 6396, the so-called “assault weapon” ban bill on Tuesday, 26 January. The hearing will take place at 10 a.m. in Senate Hearing Room “1” in the John A. Cherberg Senate Office Building on the Capitol Campus in Olympia.
It is imperative that as many individuals as possible attend the hearing and sign in in opposition to the bill. A sign-in sheet will be available at a side table just inside the hearing room (or if the crowd is large enough, the sign-in sheet may be outside the room in the corridor). Sign in with your name, address and a position on the bill: “con.” There is a place on the sign-in sheet to indicate whether or not you would like to testify. Time is limited, so I anticipate only a few individuals will be called upon on both sides of the issue. Who gets to testify and who does not is solely up to the committee chair (Senator Adam Kline, sponsor of the bill).
Hints on testimony: public input is limited to three minutes or less. Begin by stating your name and where you are from. Personal attacks on the motives of bill supporters are not allowed. If a point has already been made, do not repeat it. As with a letter to the editor, short, concise points are best. While reference to “cold, dead fingers” may be dramatic, this is NOT a drama. Courtesy is a virtue!
Parking in and around the Capitol Campus is extremely limited. Olympia parking enforcement makes a ton of money enforcing the one-hour limit in the residential areas just south of the Campus! If the spaces on Campus or overflow parking lots to the east are taken, it’s best to park in the business area in the blocks to the north, using the parking meters. Car-pooling is the way to go!
It is equally imperative that, whether you can attend the hearing or not, you contact your Senator, by e-mail (https://dlr.leg.wa.gov/MemberEmail/Default.aspx), direct telephone (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx) or Legislative Hotline (1-800-562-6000) to indicate your opposition to the bill.
A committee vote on the bill will likely be taken a few days later in executive session. The Judiciary Committee has eight members, five Democrats and three Republicans (matching the proportion of Democrats to Republicans in the Senate). The three Republicans and one Democrat lean our way.
Jeff Hayes
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RedRyder
Please be more specific and cite the pertanant section of RCW 9.41 that prohibits the carry of firearms on the State Capitol grounds and Buildings. I looked and cant find anywhere it says anything about the Capitol ot its buildings.
RedRyder
Please be more specific and cite the pertanant section of RCW 9.41 that prohibits the carry of firearms on the State Capitol grounds and Buildings. I looked and cant find anywhere it says anything about the Capitol ot its buildings.
swatspyder
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Orphan wrote:
WAC 236-12-470
Prohibiting access to state capitol buildings and grounds while armed with dangerous weapons or with devices used to disrupt state business.
(1) No person shall carry any firearm or other dangerous weapon as described in chapter 9.41 RCW on the state capitol grounds or in any building on the state capitol grounds: Provided, That this regulation shall not apply to duly authorized federal, state, and local law enforcement officers or to any federal, state, and local government employee authorized to carry firearms in the course of their public employment; and: Provided, That a person may carry a firearm in accordance with chapter 9.41 RCW.
(2) No person may carry into any building on the state capitol grounds any voice-amplification equipment, blow horns, sirens, or other similar noise-producing devices which may be used to disrupt the conduct of state business by state employees.
Orphan wrote:
WAC 236-12-470
Prohibiting access to state capitol buildings and grounds while armed with dangerous weapons or with devices used to disrupt state business.
(1) No person shall carry any firearm or other dangerous weapon as described in chapter 9.41 RCW on the state capitol grounds or in any building on the state capitol grounds: Provided, That this regulation shall not apply to duly authorized federal, state, and local law enforcement officers or to any federal, state, and local government employee authorized to carry firearms in the course of their public employment; and: Provided, That a person may carry a firearm in accordance with chapter 9.41 RCW.
(2) No person may carry into any building on the state capitol grounds any voice-amplification equipment, blow horns, sirens, or other similar noise-producing devices which may be used to disrupt the conduct of state business by state employees.
amzbrady
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so,can we or can we not carry to the meeting?
so,can we or can we not carry to the meeting?
swatspyder
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Dave Workman
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Allow me to interject.
This is going to be a particularly important hearing, not a day at the deli or a picnic in the park. While OC is legal in this state, in this particular case, it may not be prudent for the fact that the first, last and perhaps only thing the television cameras may zoom on is your sidearm.
It will be a subliminal message to the viewers (right or wrong) that gun owners were attempting to intimidate members of the committee. It's how we got stuck with RCW 9.41.270, and OC might even be considered a violation inside the building and in a committee hearing. That won't be your call, it will be Sen. Kline's call, and he's NOT your buddy.
That's an argument that you are going to lose, no matter how right you are. Like that or not, it's real world politics. Like it or not, the other side is going to call attention to it, and that's a popularity contest you are going to lose.
If you are going to carry, this is one occasion that it would be prudent to CCW.
Besides, this is not a hearing on OC or CCW...it's a hearing on a proposed AWB.
Allow me to interject.
This is going to be a particularly important hearing, not a day at the deli or a picnic in the park. While OC is legal in this state, in this particular case, it may not be prudent for the fact that the first, last and perhaps only thing the television cameras may zoom on is your sidearm.
It will be a subliminal message to the viewers (right or wrong) that gun owners were attempting to intimidate members of the committee. It's how we got stuck with RCW 9.41.270, and OC might even be considered a violation inside the building and in a committee hearing. That won't be your call, it will be Sen. Kline's call, and he's NOT your buddy.
That's an argument that you are going to lose, no matter how right you are. Like that or not, it's real world politics. Like it or not, the other side is going to call attention to it, and that's a popularity contest you are going to lose.
If you are going to carry, this is one occasion that it would be prudent to CCW.
Besides, this is not a hearing on OC or CCW...it's a hearing on a proposed AWB.
swatspyder
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Unfortunately, with my mode of dress for this day and with my holster, it is going to HAVE to be OC. It is OWB and so there is no way around that.
They are going to have to deal with the fact that I will be well dressed and wearing an openly carried firearm.
Unfortunately, with my mode of dress for this day and with my holster, it is going to HAVE to be OC. It is OWB and so there is no way around that.
They are going to have to deal with the fact that I will be well dressed and wearing an openly carried firearm.
Dave Workman
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swatspyder wrote:
Well, then, do not be surprised if you are the guy on the 5 o'clock news who is being escorted out of the hearing room.
Just sayin'.
swatspyder wrote:
Well, then, do not be surprised if you are the guy on the 5 o'clock news who is being escorted out of the hearing room.
Just sayin'.