detroit_fan
Regular Member
All it takes is a little judicial activism in this case and OC will be gone in MI. If anyone thinks that our reps would pass a new law allowing OC if it is ruled illegal is mistaken, it wouldn't happen.
These are the SAME arguments that the CC guys, the anti's, and the bedwetters use against us for Open Carrying.
You either FULLY support Open carrying, that which is legal, or you're no better than those that get their panties in a bunch when they see a legally carried pistol on my hip.
Here is a thought....
If OC is judged to be the crime of "brandishing" then could an accidental exposure of any part of a CC'd pistol... or perhaps even printing... also be considered "brandishing"?
detroit_fan said:All it takes is a little judicial activism in this case and OC will be gone in MI. If anyone thinks that our reps would pass a new law allowing OC if it is ruled illegal is mistaken, it wouldn't happen.
Both of the persons who OC'ed Long Guns were not members of MOC, yet it has been MOC that was sued by the Anti's and strongly criticized by fellow Firearm Owners. I believe you fully understand that individuals have their Rights and will choose to exercise them as they see fit, most of the time regardless of what is said to them (probably has something to do with Unalienable Rights and people being people).
I believe it to be disingenuous to state that Long Gun OC is being "pushed" by anyone other than the 2 who "did the deed" and to state that there are those who are "quietly pushing" such an agenda smacks of a conspiracy mentality. If you have evidence of such an agenda, I believe you should post such and I know you have no issue calling out people here on this forum.
For the record, I personally persuaded the person who carried a Shotgun in CADL on 12/11/2010 to not carry his Ruger 10/22 "Michigan Pistol" in the Huntington Woods City Council Meeting on 12/21/2010 (which just so happened to be in the bottom of a Library). I support his right to do so even though I do not agree with him nor do see a need for Long Gun OC for my own personal protection needs.
Tell me what's the difference between your belief that Open carry is OK, as long as someone doesn't do *****, and the CC crowd who claim to defend the 2A but say open carriers are going to ruin it for all of us?
Same thing from the hunters that claim there's no good reason for anyone to own an AR-15 and sales of "assault weapons" should be regulated.
It's that kind of thinking that's gotten us in the mess we're in today with gun control. They say that they don't want gun control, they just want to restrict certain things, or actions, or particular guns or types of guns, or the number of bullets in your mag, that's all. What harm can there be in that?
If calling that hypocritical pisses you off, then so be it.
ranting.....
All it takes is a little judicial activism in any case at any time to affect any of your rights. Judicial activism negatively affecting innumerable of our liberties has happened, does happen, and will happen in the future.
Either you're telling us something we already know, or you're making a new point which I'm completely missing.
Maybe you know it, but I was just trying to prepare those that I see saying "no problem, we'll win this." Those same people also said we would win the first round, and we didn't. I just have the feeling this is going to turn out very bad, maybe to the point of accidental exposure or printing becoming brandishing. We can't even get a pro-gun bill to the floor, and no way would they pass a new open carry law. Our entire open carry law hangs on 1 ruling now.
Whatever. :cuss:
Let me guess, you would of been the one saying to Rosa Parks "Don't rock the boat, go sit in the back of the bus, the police might come beat us". Or, on 7/4/1776, you would of told the guys wanting to sign the Declaration of Independence "We might ger in trouble!"
I have found that most of the supposed ardent supporters of 2nd amendment rights usually have caveats.
I have little use for people like you.
I do not even know WHERE to begin to express my disgust with your attitude. A right is a right and you condoning an infringement on a right so that you can make other people comfortable makes me ill. :banghead:
You mean tax payer dollars.The citizens should be made aware of this!The Library, and whoever is backing them, are willing to bet a LOT of money to the contrary.
Better to fight now and educate the citizens of their STATE RIGHTS(which the majority of citizens don't know) now,than wait until ,God forbid,we get an anti gun govenor,appeals court and supreme court! Time to send PC back to hell where it came from!There is one point that cannot be denied....
The library in question had it's "no guns" policy in effect before any incidents occurred. And that means the library's policy was a bees nest already in place just waiting for something, anything (it didn't even have to be a person with a long gun but could have been a person with a properly holstered pistol), to poke it and set the bees off.
Quite often folks put all the blame on the one who poked the beehive for stirring up the bees but the truth is that beehive was still there with bees waiting to sting.... so... to put all the blame on the person who poked the library and brought this "no guns" policy to light and brought the anti gun intentions of this library into the open is forgetting that it was the library that had the anti gun policy in effect to begin with.
Now... granted the following is just my personal opinion...
It does no good to pretend that all is well just because the library wasn't enforcing it's "no guns" policy when that policy is still there waiting to be enforced. The real culprit in this entire drama isn't the guy with the long gun... it is a library that thinks it is above the legislature and that it has the power to enforce a policy with the same force as law.
And... like it or not... sooner or later some anti gun organization was going to come along and test whether they could get OC banned simply by declaring the right to bear arms in plain sight the crime of illegal brandishing.
So... we can complain all we want but this fight was coming sooner or later.
Now... ask yourselves... why would a library want to ban OC everywhere throughout the entire State of Michigan? A library? Really?