markofwisconsin
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Well Paul, I could see your argument if the guy had called her that to her face. Stating an opinion here in the forum doesn't hurt this movement. The fact is we open carriers are called disrespectful names all the time. Even by some LEO. Sometimes it is nice to have someplace to vent and I for one see nothing wrong with his remark. It was after all the truth and if people browsing this forum are not looking for the truth then why are they here?
I think the moderators of this forum would have said something if his remark was over the limit. While this forum is used by WCI members, we must remember we are not here to censor anyone. While we stand for 2nd Amendment rights we also support all other rights and that includes the right to free speech. Besides the Libtard deserved it!
Please, what does the sign say? Disobeying a sign, be it a no trespassing sign, or a no guns sign or a no illegal guns sign or a no CCW sign has no legal effect. The proprietor may pursue (criminal) trespassing charges, or complain to the DA but your presumption of a felony criminal conviction is premature.My aunt doesn't allow CCW in her business. I visited her there and explained that CPZs attract criminals and "if one of them does start something and I can get to my truck, I am not coming back in to save anyone, I am leaving." Then she said "You'd come in to save me right?" I explained to her that "I have a duty to retreat and if I disobeyed that sign, even if a life is saved, I would be treated as a criminal and would lose my firearm rights. I am not about to let that happen." I doubt she will change her ways but at least she knows that I won't help.
Again, because we are not lawyers, the elements of common law self-defense are four;Wisconsin Statutes said:939.48 Self−defense and defense of others.
(1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self−defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self−defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self−defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person’s assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.
Again, because we are not lawyers, the elements of common law self-defense are four;
- be innocent of instigation ("provocation" above),
- be in reasonable fear of bodily harm ("danger of death or great bodily harm" above),
- use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil ("...not privileged to resort ... avoid death ..." above),
- attempt to withdraw.
Craziest thing I heard while OC'ing.
Pick n Save West Allis. A younger guy and his girlfriend shopping with their kid in the cart.
Guy says: "are you a cop."
Me: "absolutely not"
Him: "i didn't think it was legal to carry in Wisconsin"
Me: "in Wisconsin its totally legal to carry if you carry openly."
Him: "Oh yeah thats that new law Obama made"
.... I didn't even bother
lol. Lets all thank Obama for our new law!
Again, because we are not lawyers, the elements of common law self-defense are four;
- be innocent of instigation ("provocation" above),
- be in reasonable fear of bodily harm ("danger of death or great bodily harm" above),
- use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil ("...not privileged to resort ... avoid death ..." above),
- attempt to withdraw.
Well, I just wanted to make sure your intentions were as pure as everyone else here.
How funny. I am surprised at the class of people A&W and KFC draw these days.
Pretty sharp! You're right, "Again, because we are not lawyers, the elements of common law self-defense are four; ... 4. attempt to withdraw." That's why I wrote "common law" and not "statute".THERE IS NO STATUTORY DUTY TO RETREAT!
Pretty sharp! You're right, "Again, because we are not lawyers, the elements of common law self-defense are four; ... 4. attempt to withdraw." That's why I wrote "common law" and not "statute".