OC vs. CC vs. BG / draw speed

[j4l]

OOOO k,Mary, you opened the door, so childish you want,childish you get-here we go.

1.) "served in limited exposure with SF forces yes?" Limited? as what? a Fobbit?

2) If you had, then you would know full-well that :

A) Shin Bet-and most of the IDF elite units train extensively in the technique mentioned.
and
B) Have an extensive, and proven, combative track-record in it's use. Whether it can be linked for the entertainment viewing of Fobbits,or not.
C) Such units dont always post videos/articles etc, of every damned operation they do,just so that Fobbits can link them in internet forums.


Bottom line-in it's most Dumbed-down form I can come up with:

I dont prefer CC I prefer OC - BUT - I am capable of acknowledging that there are folks out there who are capable of training themselves to levels of skill beyond that which I can,or YOU can.Without categorically stating that one thing vs. another is ALWAYS GOING TO BE one way superior to another ALL the TIME.

 

[j4l]

Apologies to the OP, and the rest of you for this silliness.But nonsense like this simply MUST be dubunked at all times.

 

[slowfiveoh]

OOOO k,Mary, you opened the door, so childish you want,childish you get-here we go.

1.) "served in limited exposure with SF forces yes?" Limited? as what? a Fobbit?

Wow, and with that we have a pompous ass displaying his true colors on the forum.

There were no FOB's to inhabit when I deployed, but nice try guy. I like how you immediately resorted to denigration.

Having this conversation is pretty pointless at this time.

Good job in assaulting my service though!


So what branch and mos guy? Must be a whole lot of nothing to have time at any point over the course of several days to sit and reply to postings over and over again. I wonder who really is sitting in the TOC here...

For the record, I have been asking for this idiot to provide compelling evidence to equitable presentation times of CC'ers versus those who OC.
-He Cannot.

He offered up some diatribe about an elite covert unit having amazing CC times as somehow equitable or better than what they may have via OC. I ask him to prove it.
-He Cannot.

I simply request that it be observed that OC, will always be faster on the draw as compared to CC, and that he simply admit this very small, yet unavoidable fact.
-He Cannot.


The only time in society that CC is "a better choice", is when society mandates that it is so via the only carry method available by law.

Otherwise it offers absolutely, 0 deterrence.
CC instills no fear of reprisal in the criminal mindset, because of said lack of deterrence.

I think the most telling thing here, showing me you haven't seen jack **** for combat, is you don't understand the duress of being under and having to return fire.
You have never breached a house on patrol and seen someone immediately reach for an AK, and had to make that immediate choice.

You are unable to equate these actions to the violent acts of crime here in the states, because you are an inexperienced pud.
You have dreams of grandeur about ninja-whipping your "piece" out while some dirtbag notices you, and puts you out of your misery before you can even blink.
That would be a shame as your wife and kids are left with nobody to take care of them, because you thought counter-ambushing an ambush from a criminal element was a good idea.

Your sir, are an idiot for attacking my credibility. For that, you will receive no respect, as your idiot ass certainly does not deserve any.

Only a fu**ing FOBBIT would think it funny to be so god damned disrespectful to another service member.

I have been extremely respectful of every service member I have ever met, whether here, out shopping, or hanging out at the VFW. You however, don't deserve a bucket of sh*t from me for your comments.

Go clean the latrines, punkass.

 

[j4l]

Like I said, you opened the door. I simply walked in, closed it behind me, and proceeded with the 3x5 counselling as per regs. I dropped it to the childish level you specifically requested, in the hopes you could possibly comprehend it.

The point of attempting to debate me had long passed "pointless" with your first reply.

"Wow, and with that we have a SUPERIOR ass displaying his true colors on the forum."
^corrected for clarity.

"limited" : in the future, try to "limit" debating attempts to areas of direct knowledge and topics of a comical nature. Attempting to debate an "unlimited exposure" person with admittedly "limited" exposure-based knowledge will fail in every instance. No matter how much effort you put into attempting to blow off things you have no first-hand experience with,as "impossible",simply because you have failed to have any personal experience with it.

No insult to your service is implied. It was a satirical/sarcastic means of highlighting your "limits". Thank you for that service.

Of the service/MOS's of which I will speak- 54B(L5), 31M, 97G and LRSD/Centra Spike,ISA.
Hooah.

 

[slowfiveoh]

Edit: Not stooping to another members level.

97G is a Signal Security Specialist. You sit in the TOC. Literally. Which has to be the funniest god damned thing I have read all day.

 

[j4l]

"Your sir, are an idiot for attacking my credibility."

Your "credibility" hardly required any attacks from me. It was D.O.A to begin with-and that was self-inflicted the moment you admitted to "limited-exposure".

Im not here to seek your respect.Nor to coddle your annoyingly fragile ego,nor to nurture your delusions of granduer. If you're expecting Mr.Sensitivity, Im not you're guy.
You made assinine statements of "always" this and that to try to support a failed argument, and you got called out on it.
Shake the sand out of your panties,and carry-on,Mary.

 

[j4l]

And on and on you go,Fob.

"So what's all this about denigrating me when you are distinctly non-combat arms?"
As I said, of the one I will speak. That's hardly all-inclusive. Esp. the final units.
Again, something you would have known about(sort of)-even in your "limited" exposure to SF.

 

[slowfiveoh]

Edit: Not stooping to another members level.

 

[j4l]

Mary. Here's the thing. The main reason why I give you such a hard time about it all is that you fail to realize IM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU on the original post.
You're arguing a point that isnt even an argument,genius.
I simply pointed out that there ARE some folks out there who have trained to a level of proficiency that equals a different technique.

YOU, trying to claim some level of combat-experience and competence under "fire"
(no,spitballs and staples do not count as combat) of all people, should know that there are NO definites.
No hard and fast-THIS is ALWAYS superior to THAT. All of the TIME.
Skill levels between combatants will vary. Murphy will jump right into the middle of things with both feet, etc. There are variables.

I accept your surrender.

 

[j4l]

"It's amusing me how angry you are getting, and the flagrancy of your comments."

Angry? Im laughing my arse off at you. Shredding your tirades,delusions and tantrums has been most amusing indeed.

and.."what I am saying is completely and totally correct." Now there's an ego -albeit a crushed one-right there,Mary.

But other deeds call for a time. It has been most entertaining indeed, engaging in whitty combat with un-armed opponents. Sometime it just feels good to beat down the meek and defenseless. :banana:

Till next time,Mary. Keep that motor-pool spiffy,please.

 

[slowfiveoh]

Edit: Not stooping to another members level.

 

[rotorhead]

Other than being a prime example of why good folks rarely post here any longer, this thread is pretty funny.

 

[slowfiveoh]

Other than being a prime example of why good folks rarely post here any longer, this thread is pretty funny.

I agree that I never should have stooped to this guys level once he began dropping cartoon insults.

I will delete my posts as I think the entire conversation reflects poorly on service members in general.

If he wants to act like a total ass and think he "wins", then fine. Whatever.

 

[slowfiveoh]

One question for other service members:

When a threat of attack exists, would you let your soldiers sling their rifles during a tactical road march?


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