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My polling location is the local VFW, I'll be OCing
My polling location is the local VFW, I'll be OCing
Which is why it AMAZES me that someone can be on this website and defend or even support Obama. Makes me wonder about the intentions of these people.....I suspect this election is most likely the last election anybody can carry open.
Or concealed for that matter.
Gun rights for an honest law abiding citizen are out the window.
What AMAZES ME is during the primaries when I was doing campaign stuff for Ron Paul, how many of my fellow gun owners didn't want to hear it. A lot of my fellow gun owners told me they didn't care at all about politics. Or the one I like the most was "Ron Paul attracts wierdos" Well it looks like some of you are getting what you deserve. I've went to several GOP functions here in VA Beach and guess what? No OCers or VCDL members. In the last week I've been working the phones at the McCain/Drake victory center in VA Beach and after 6pm I see a lot of empty seats that my fellow gun owners could by filling. Something to think about should McCain not win.Sheriff wrote:Which is why it AMAZES me that someone can be on this website and defend or even support Obama. Makes me wonder about the intentions of these people.....I suspect this election is most likely the last election anybody can carry open.
Or concealed for that matter.
Gun rights for an honest law abiding citizen are out the window.
richarcm wrote:What AMAZES ME is during the primaries when I was doing campaign stuff for Ron Paul, how many of my fellow gun owners didn't want to hear it. A lot of my fellow gun owners told me they didn't care at all about politics. Or the one I like the most was "Ron Paul attracts wierdos" Well it looks like some of you are getting what you deserve. I've went to several GOP functions here in VA Beach and guess what? No OCers or VCDL members. In the last week I've been working the phones at the McCain/Drake victory center in VA Beach and after 6pm I see a lot of empty seats that my fellow gun owners could by filling. Something to think about should McCain not win.Sheriff wrote:Which is why it AMAZES me that someone can be on this website and defend or even support Obama. Makes me wonder about the intentions of these people.....I suspect this election is most likely the last election anybody can carry open.
Or concealed for that matter.
Gun rights for an honest law abiding citizen are out the window.
Spreading war isn't going to make us safer either. Afgan was alright to fight, but Iraq has been a disaster and will continue to be. Over what? What have we gained? Oh Saddam is dead, awesome!No offense but a lot of Ron Paul's supporters were a little wacky. I'm not sure if it was because Ron Paul was anti-war or because Ron Paul was pro drugs....but some of his younger supporters were a little out there. That being said, outside of Ron Paul being anti-war, I agreed with just about everything that he stood for. The anti-war component was the deal breaker. We can fight for liberty, for rights, for small government...for whatever. But if we lay down and let extremists take over our country NONE of that other stuff matters. National security comes FIRST...that is the foundation of the house. After that is laid down you work on the electrical, the plumbing, and all the rest.
And yes, I've been trying to drill this into everyone's heads. I know people who are progun like an obsession but shrug off politics like it's not THAT big of a deal. I hope that everyone on here understands how important this is TO THIS WEBSITE!! Everyone on here has a HUGE part to play in how this pivital state ends up.
The choice is YOURS. Take control of it NOW. And don't just think that voting is enough. Spread the word, show your support, write on blogs, do whatever you can. IT ALL MATTERS.
Okay, I'm not preaching anymore. There are 2 days left. You people are going to do or not do whatever you are going to do or not do.
richarcm wrote:Spreading war isn't going to make us safer either. Afgan was alright to fight, but Iraq has been a disaster and will continue to be. Over what? What have we gained? Oh Saddam is dead, awesome!No offense but a lot of Ron Paul's supporters were a little wacky. I'm not sure if it was because Ron Paul was anti-war or because Ron Paul was pro drugs....but some of his younger supporters were a little out there. That being said, outside of Ron Paul being anti-war, I agreed with just about everything that he stood for. The anti-war component was the deal breaker. We can fight for liberty, for rights, for small government...for whatever. But if we lay down and let extremists take over our country NONE of that other stuff matters. National security comes FIRST...that is the foundation of the house. After that is laid down you work on the electrical, the plumbing, and all the rest.
And yes, I've been trying to drill this into everyone's heads. I know people who are progun like an obsession but shrug off politics like it's not THAT big of a deal. I hope that everyone on here understands how important this is TO THIS WEBSITE!! Everyone on here has a HUGE part to play in how this pivital state ends up.
The choice is YOURS. Take control of it NOW. And don't just think that voting is enough. Spread the word, show your support, write on blogs, do whatever you can. IT ALL MATTERS.
Okay, I'm not preaching anymore. There are 2 days left. You people are going to do or not do whatever you are going to do or not do.
I won't be voting for either Obama or McCain because they will both continue to erode our rights, not just our 2nd Amendment rights. It is like deciding if you want hepatitis or herpes.
Ron Paul IS pro-drug and anti-war. Do the research.Richarm, Ron Paul is neither pro-drug or anti war. Iraq should have been a declared war. Every person who knows money like Neil Cavuto say the same thing. That Ron Paul knows exactly how banking should work. If we listened to him a long time ago us the tax payers wouldn't be paying for these bailouts. As for the drug thing you make it sound as if he's saying YAAAA go do drugs. He just thinks they should be legal.
Can you post this research saying we should never go to war? I'd love to read it.GLENGLOCKER wrote:Ron Paul IS pro-drug and anti-war. Do the research.Richarm, Ron Paul is neither pro-drug or anti war. Iraq should have been a declared war. Every person who knows money like Neil Cavuto say the same thing. That Ron Paul knows exactly how banking should work. If we listened to him a long time ago us the tax payers wouldn't be paying for these bailouts. As for the drug thing you make it sound as if he's saying YAAAA go do drugs. He just thinks they should be legal.
As I said I agree with Ron on EVERYTHING else.
So, right there debunks your "anti-war" myth.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
Later in 2001, Paul voted to authorize the president, pursuant to WPR, to respond to those responsible for the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Wikipedia hardly debunks much of anything. I love it when people us Wikipedia as their source of information. His whole campaign was littered with propoganda of being antiwar. Just do a search...."Ron Paul Antiwar". See what you get. There are MANY hits on it from blogs, to antiwar websites to the NY Times. Take your pick.
Can you post this research saying we should never go to war? I'd love to read it.
Because even in his Wikipedia page (which is cited) he voted to authorize the president to go to war for those responsible for 9/11...
So, right there debunks your "anti-war" myth.Later in 2001, Paul voted to authorize the president, pursuant to WPR, to respond to those responsible for the September 11, 2001, attacks.
As far as his "pro-drug" - he isn't pro drug, he is pro-stop the government from getting its nose into something it doesn't belong.
Any pro-gun person should be anti-war-on-drugs, the "war on drugs" is one major forefront for our eroding gun rights (as well as many other rights, look at the Fredricks case).
Here is the cite, care to argue with that: http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3064 (the quote I posted was backed with this cite...). Silly do dismiss something but "brush off" the source because it doesn't fit your viewpoint.Wikipedia hardly debunks much of anything. I love it when people us Wikipedia as their source of information. His whole campaign was littered with propoganda of being antiwar. Just do a search...."Ron Paul Antiwar". See what you get. There are MANY hits on it from blogs, to antiwar websites to the NY Times. Take your pick.
In regards to drugs he IS pro drug. If you have the desire to decriminalize something you are saying that you see no problem with it having it's place in society. Why doesn't he tell government to decriminalize prostitution? murder? rape? suicide? Obviously he is not telling people to go out and snort some lines. But he does not see ANYTHING wrong with people doing it. That is PRO DRUG. Just like PRO "CHOICE" is the desire to decriminalize (which it already is but barely) abortions.
First drugs are HARDLY a victimless crime. I wonder how many murders, theft is derived from drugs? How about suicide? Is that victimless? Prostitution? How about abortion? You can argue "victimless" from a broad spectrum of angles.richarcm wrote:Here is the cite, care to argue with that: http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3064 (the quote I posted was backed with this cite...). Silly do dismiss something but "brush off" the source because it doesn't fit your viewpoint.Wikipedia hardly debunks much of anything. I love it when people us Wikipedia as their source of information. His whole campaign was littered with propoganda of being antiwar. Just do a search...."Ron Paul Antiwar". See what you get. There are MANY hits on it from blogs, to antiwar websites to the NY Times. Take your pick.
In regards to drugs he IS pro drug. If you have the desire to decriminalize something you are saying that you see no problem with it having it's place in society. Why doesn't he tell government to decriminalize prostitution? murder? rape? suicide? Obviously he is not telling people to go out and snort some lines. But he does not see ANYTHING wrong with people doing it. That is PRO DRUG. Just like PRO "CHOICE" is the desire to decriminalize (which it already is but barely) abortions.
Now please, you are the one making this claim, please show me where he is against any military action. Please, do tell.
If you can't tell the difference between being "pro drug" and rape/murder, you won't be able to understand why drugs should be legalized. So we will leave that one alone. A victimless crime is the same as a victim crime? ha, wow.
You can get drunk and plow into a car full of children.First drugs are HARDLY a victimless crime. I wonder how many murders, theft is derived from drugs? How about suicide? Is that victimless? Prostitution? How about abortion? You can argue "victimless" from a broad spectrum of angles.
In regards to your link....99% of the votes were a Yes from Republicans and Democrats. It was political suicide at that point to say No. Now 1/2 of those Yays have become Nays due to hindsight. Okay, how about this....he may not be antiwar under ALL circumstances....just most. Whether that deems him the title anti-war...whatever. His campaign, his supporters and the media have deemed him to be antiwar and for the most part he was (most of his votes). The aura that is campaign created was that of being antiwar regardless of whether or not he ever said that he was. Just like Obama promotes the aura of being for high taxes, antigun and a Socialist. But you won't find any of that on his website. THATS FOR DAMN SURE.
You CAN get drunk and do stupid stuff sure. So the logic then would be that two wrongs make a right. Secondly I see MUCH less of a threat from a drunk person who's harm is TYPICALLY limited to a bad joke or sexual harassment than someone who is smoking crack or high on speed. Maybe that's just me....I dunno.You can get drunk and plow into a car full of children.
You can get drunk and shoot an innocent person.
You can take depression medication and flip out and shoot up a school.
All those substances are legal and you can do everything you described while being high. But you can also do them while being drunk, on prescription drugs, or even stone cold sober.
Sorry, laws already cover each of those things.
Suicide being "illegal" is absolutely retarded, hard to prosecute someone who is already dead from killing themselves. Who cares about prostitution? If someone wants to pay and someone will take the money what is the big deal?
How many murders and firearm laws have been derived thanks to the war on drugs and the artificial market the government has created? Drugs, the way they are now are an extremely high return industry where violence is necessary.
How many less murders, drug laws, firearm crimes would we see if we legalized the trade and took the violence away?
...I won't be voting for either Obama or McCain because they will both continue to erode our rights, not just our 2nd Amendment rights...