Mr. McDowell,
Your analysis is correct. Non-CPL pistol free zones do not apply to CPL holders. The CPL pistol free zones only apply to CPL holders carrying a concealed pistol. Therefore, a CPL holder may openly carry a pistol in Michigan's pistol free zones.
Sincerely,
Sgt. Thomas Deasy
Michigan State Police
Executive Resource Section
714 S. Harrison Rd.
East Lansing, MI 48823
(517) 336-6441
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.......................................................................................... I just checked my E-mail and it was like opening a christmas present. Sgt. Thomas Deasy replied to my e-mail regarding OC by CPL holders in a Pistol Free Zone. If you haven't guessed yet, I've got good news. Here is what he wrote:
Mr. McDowell,
Your analysis is correct. Non-CPL pistol free zones do not apply to CPL holders. The CPL pistol free zones only apply to CPL holders carrying a concealed pistol. Therefore, a CPL holder may openly carry a pistol in Michigan's pistol free zones.
Sincerely,
Sgt. Thomas Deasy
Michigan State Police
Executive Resource Section
714 S. Harrison Rd.
East Lansing, MI 48823
(517) 336-6441
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.......................................................................................... I just checked my E-mail and it was like opening a christmas present. Sgt. Thomas Deasy replied to my e-mail regarding OC by CPL holders in a Pistol Free Zone. If you haven't guessed yet, I've got good news. Here is what he wrote:
Mr. McDowell,
Your analysis is correct. Non-CPL pistol free zones do not apply to CPL holders. The CPL pistol free zones only apply to CPL holders carrying a concealed pistol. Therefore, a CPL holder may openly carry a pistol in Michigan's pistol free zones.
Sincerely,
Sgt. Thomas Deasy
Michigan State Police
Executive Resource Section
714 S. Harrison Rd.
East Lansing, MI 48823
(517) 336-6441
Well done! I stillwould like an AG opinion as well. Don't know if I would want to chance it base on a State Police opinion. But it is definitely a start.
Well done.
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.......................................................................................... I just checked my E-mail and it was like opening a christmas present. Sgt. Thomas Deasy replied to my e-mail regarding OC by CPL holders in a Pistol Free Zone. If you haven't guessed yet, I've got good news. Here is what he wrote:
Mr. McDowell,
Your analysis is correct. Non-CPL pistol free zones do not apply to CPL holders. The CPL pistol free zones only apply to CPL holders carrying a concealed pistol. Therefore, a CPL holder may openly carry a pistol in Michigan's pistol free zones.
Sincerely,
Sgt. Thomas Deasy
Michigan State Police
Executive Resource Section
714 S. Harrison Rd.
East Lansing, MI 48823
(517) 336-6441
Is he saying that a CPL holder can open carry in a bar????...a court????, a sports arena??? This doesn't sound right to me. I have passed this on to the AG's office and to a firearm attorney I know. I'll let you all know what if anything they may have to say.
The college can make a policy on students/staff prohibiting firearms, which would be enforced with the students expulsion/or staffs dismissal. But no laws would be broken. They could not enforce the policy on visitors.Except, my college has placed restrictions, banning possession of firearms all together anywhere on campus. This ordinance is however; void...that whole preemption thing. (no reply from my campus 'public saftey' yet regarding this. If I don't receive a reply in 2 days, I will be writing our campus newpaper. Actually, I'll probably write anyways.)
kmcdowel wrote:The college can make a policy on students/staff prohibiting firearms, which would be enforced with the students expulsion/or staffs dismissal. But no laws would be broken. They could not enforce the policy on visitors.Except, my college has placed restrictions, banning possession of firearms all together anywhere on campus. This ordinance is however; void...that whole preemption thing. (no reply from my campus 'public saftey' yet regarding this. If I don't receive a reply in 2 days, I will be writing our campus newpaper. Actually, I'll probably write anyways.)
Venator wrote:kmcdowel wrote:The college can make a policy on students/staff prohibiting firearms, which would be enforced with the students expulsion/or staffs dismissal. But no laws would be broken. They could not enforce the policy on visitors.Except, my college has placed restrictions, banning possession of firearms all together anywhere on campus. This ordinance is however; void...that whole preemption thing. (no reply from my campus 'public saftey' yet regarding this. If I don't receive a reply in 2 days, I will be writing our campus newpaper. Actually, I'll probably write anyways.)
You should also keep in mind any and all FEDERAL laws.....
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[align=left]§ 922(q). The Gun-Free School Zones Act provides that it[/align]
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firearm has moved
Have you been asking them about this issue? If not, then I wouldn't trust them completely. At any rate, you may want to consider taking along a recorder and insist on recording the conversationg since it is they who approached you for this meeting.So.. I just got a call from the Director of Police Services at NMU. They (Director and Captain I think)want to meet with me tomorrow afternoon, and I agreed to it. Not really sure why they want to meet, maybe were on to something here and I can carry on campus, and they are going to attempt to talk me out of it.
I will let you know how it goes, -Kevin
I will be picking up a voice recorder tomorrow before the meeting. Yes, it is because I have been enquiring about the policy. I will not insist on recording it, I will just do it, without them knowning .
EDIT: They may just want to check me out...be sure that I'm nota crazystudentabout to go on a shooting spree.
I don't know what plenipotentiary authority is, nor constitutional prerogatives so this doesn't make much sense to me. But, I thought you'd be interested none the less.The preemption law defines local unit of government as a city, village, township, or county. Not a college governing body.
It's worse at UM, MSU and WSU. The Michigan constitution clearing gives their governing boards plenipotentiary authority over university property. Thus, even if preemption included colleges, the Big Three would have an argument that their constitutional prerogatives supercede the law.
Sorry.
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Attorney at Law
Shelby Township, MI
NRA Pistol Instructor Class Graduate, RSO
I posted the question about campus carry on migunowners.org "legal" section. A lawyer replied the following:
I don't know what plenipotentiary authority is, nor constitutional prerogatives so this doesn't make much sense to me. But, I thought you'd be interested none the less.The preemption law defines local unit of government as a city, village, township, or county. Not a college governing body.
It's worse at UM, MSU and WSU. The Michigan constitution clearing gives their governing boards plenipotentiary authority over university property. Thus, even if preemption included colleges, the Big Three would have an argument that their constitutional prerogatives supercede the law.
Sorry.
__________________
Attorney at Law
Shelby Township, MI
NRA Pistol Instructor Class Graduate, RSO
HERE is the link if your interested.
Plenipotentiary Authority a person who has full powers, aperson (diplomat)who is fully authorised to represent theiruniversity (Government)as a prerogative.I posted the question about campus carry on migunowners.org "legal" section. A lawyer replied the following:
I don't know what plenipotentiary authority is, nor constitutional prerogatives so this doesn't make much sense to me. But, I thought you'd be interested none the less.The preemption law defines local unit of government as a city, village, township, or county. Not a college governing body.
It's worse at UM, MSU and WSU. The Michigan constitution clearing gives their governing boards plenipotentiary authority over university property. Thus, even if preemption included colleges, the Big Three would have an argument that their constitutional prerogatives supercede the law.
Sorry.
__________________
Attorney at Law
Shelby Township, MI
NRA Pistol Instructor Class Graduate, RSO
HERE is the link if your interested.
This is just a lesson plan for high schoolers, and nothing that could be considered citable. It appears like it is making the statement that this is a fact however...lets dig around and try to find it. Even if we do, would public school districs include universities? It seems to imply k-12 for some reasonLocal Units of Government in Michigan:
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List on the board the various units of local government that students come up with. Lead students to discover that there are six major categories of local government in the State of Michigan including: (1) Counties, (2) Cities, (3) Townships, (4) Villages, (5) Special Districts, (6) and Public School Districts.
Link
So.. I just got a call from the Director of Police Services at NMU. They (Director and Captain I think)want to meet with me tomorrow afternoon, and I agreed to it. Not really sure why they want to meet, maybe were on to something here and I can carry on campus, and they are going to attempt to talk me out of it.
I will let you know how it goes, -Kevin