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*sigh* Horse beating continues.....
I'm going to step up for Rev here....
HankT wrote:
You, conveniently, skip over the fact that there must be a process for the officer to satisfy himself that the assertion of naval officer-ness from a person he has never seen or known before is true.
He may have even skipped over the fact that he might have given the LEO his Mil ID with his driver's license, especially if he has an expired state DL... a nice little loop hole in the law for active duty military.
I'm also going to presume he has a blue-striped DoD sticker on his truck.
HankT wrote:
In ordinary situations this assertion/verification/acceptance process takes a few seconds *personal insults removed*, it took a few minutes.
HankT wrote:
And, the officer, right or wrong, stupid or not, elected to behave in a provocative (to you) manner until he was satisfied you were what you claimed to be: a legal concealed weapon carrying law abiding citizen.
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So... the LEO was ignorant of the law, upholding of which is his PRIMARY responsibility, correct?
(Warning: Hyperbole ahead) What if the LEO didn't know that say, car theft was a crime? I file that and the incident which has occured under professional negligence.
Needlessly pointing a gun at someone? Reckless endangerment.
For that matter, would you expect him to point a gun at someone for jaywalking? That's a misdemeanor, too, and someone could be injured/killed performing it.
Finally, I'd say pointing a loaded gun at someone is pretty damned provactive.
HankT wrote:
Uh, I mean a legal concealed weapon carrying law abiding naval officer.
Are you always this much of a jerk? If it wasn't your Cheerios, whas it your Wheaties?
HankT wrote:
Off-road modified trucks/Jeeps are VERY common in Virginia. Again with the insults, as well. I have a Cherokee on a nice amount of lift and big tires, does that make it oddball?
HankT wrote:
[*]Out of state tags/registration--in state insurance
[*]Driver is out of state resident
Out of state drivers and tags are VERY common in a place with about 6 Naval bases and an Air Force base (Langley) in such a small area.
HankT wrote:
[*]Driver has a gun (at least one)
Which sounds to me that you think a LEO should point a gun at anyone that is carrying.
HankT wrote:
[*]Driver shows off that he has a gun, with cryptic comment of "be advised."
Actually, "Be advised" is fairly common among milpers, at least when I was at Lackland AFB, Ft Gordon, and Robins AFB, as well as PSAB. I'm REASONABLY sure that it's LEO lingo, as well.
Granted, it's not the BEST way to say "I have a gun!" (which probably isn't a good idea, either :lol: ) But you know, some of us expect a certain amount of intelligence/insight/wisdom out of people we speak to (and seemingly never get it...)
HankT wrote:
[*]Driver says heis a naval officer but acts like a yokel
Wow, and insult and indications you've never been to Virginia. Good job.
HankT wrote:
The officer decided to be ultra-tactical about it, no question
He pointed his service weapon at someone for a
misdemeanor, one that he wasn't even sure of!
HankT wrote:
And other officers may very well have handled it less stridently.
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So of course, this makes pointing a loaded weapon at someone for a vehicle regulation infraction all right, because it COULD HAVE been worse.
HankT wrote:
Wasn't but a four months ago that some goof got stopped for routine speeding in your state and produced a state ID.*snip* Your case isn't structurallydifferent from the Angilo Freeland stop, really. Except that in your case, the officer KNEW you had a gun.
Anecdotal at best. If he was a BG, why would he announce he was armed? Because let's face it, BG's don't set out to tangle with LEO's because A> They are known to be armed, and B> LEO + radio = LEO times Many.
And, we all know how many crimes are committed in off-road modified vehicles. :lol:
HankT wrote:
Your beef is that the officer mistreated you in some way. Should the officer have known that a FL permit was good in VA? Yeah, I think so.
You should've started and stopped here.
HankT wrote:
But you're handling even that with a crude, almost bizarre manner.
More insults. You've been reading the lib playbook, haven't you?
HankT wrote:
You, for some reason, want to file the complaint "while open carrying." Why, I don't know. The right to open carry is an extremely important issue in VA and other states.
"I don't know." Then you follow THAT sentence with the answer. LEO's and civies need to be educated. And besides, he said he would do it AFTER he made sure he could OC in a PD building. This is pointless anyway, because he decided it wasn't worth his time.
HankT wrote:
You simply want to show "them"upinstubborn and cloddish manner,just because you can.
Shouldn't that be "up in a stubborn"? At least include all the proper parts of speech in a personal attack.
HankT wrote:
And, oh yeah, in court, you are hoping to " see the officer there and can have a discussion with him over why he chose to disarm me at gunpoint."
Because, you know, trying to hear it from his side is stubborn, cloddish, and ignorant.
The rest of this post is moot, as well, and thus ignored.
In the future, don't be this...
