Supressors OKed by AG

[OC4me]

So a Trust (naming just about everybody as beneficiary) is the way to go if you want to share your toy?

I believe that I may be correct in thinking that going the individual owner route (which requires the LEO sign-off) means that only the owner (named on the Tax Stamp) gets to touch his/her suppressor (due to Michigan law making possession legal only for 'licensed' persons).

I worry that there is a Felony Trap here for otherwise innocent persons who are not the original Tax Stamp applicant or named beneficiary of a Trust*:

From the AG Opinion (edited for brevity):

. . . the possession . . . of a firearm silencer is permitted . . under MCL 750.224(1)(b) if the person is licensed . . . by the federal [BATF], as required by MCL 750.224(3)(c). Possession . . . by an unlicensed person is a felony . . .

*Having said that, I'm still not 100% convinced that even named beneficiaries of a trust (other than the original applicant) are covered because the other Trust beneficiaries wouldn't have gone through the background check, identity verification process, etc. described in the AG Opinion.

So beware . . . just saying! I hope someone more knowledgeable in NFA legal issues pertaining to Michigan law can step in and help shed some light on this issue, thanks!

 

[stainless1911]

You have to be on the trust, or licensed or you can't shoot it.

You can't just let your friend shoot it.

 

[NHCGRPR45]

Speed of sound is closer to 760 mph at sea level. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0126.shtml



Not an issue with a NFA trust. Also, as I understand it, no photo or fingerprints required and multiple people can be named in the trust so they may all use and have access to the NFA items within that trust.

Bronson

Whats an NFA Trust? And how does one get one?

 

[stainless1911]

Get hold of Shyster, I know he's doing them.

Easiest way to answer is to look it up here.

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=238

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

My, this makes me a little jolly. I can complete my AK project now.

Also, it would be nice to have since I'm going to be living in an apartment shortly.

 

[NHCGRPR45]

Having a hard time finding shysters contact info?

And yes, a suppressor would help for shooting inside an apartment, however its an apartment. Know your target and what is beyond it! Frangible rounds could help with "shoot throughs" and misses.
Also maybe invite yourself over for a "get to know your neighbor" night, and see what the lay out of there apartment is. Its what I did when I was staying in an apartment in Baton Rouge, and it helped me make a plan as to where good "fields of fire" were.

 

[stainless1911]

I dont have his contact info, but you could send him a PM asking about a trust, and he will get back with you. In one of his posts, he said to check your spam folder, some of his replies went there. He did post his email on one of the threads, but I dont remember which one. Sorry.

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

Having a hard time finding shysters contact info?

And yes, a suppressor would help for shooting inside an apartment, however its an apartment. Know your target and what is beyond it! Frangible rounds could help with "shoot throughs" and misses.
Also maybe invite yourself over for a "get to know your neighbor" night, and see what the lay out of there apartment is. Its what I did when I was staying in an apartment in Baton Rouge, and it helped me make a plan as to where good "fields of fire" were.

Get to know your neighbor night.... this is a good idea.

 

[SpringerXDacp]

You have to be on the trust, or licensed or you can't shoot it.

You can't just let your friend shoot it.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

If that was actually the case, all those folks who shoot at the Pit wouldn't allow others to handle/shoot their MG's/FA's.

I don't believe for a second a person with a registered NFA item (MG's/FA's, Suppressor's, etc) would risk losing 5 to 20 grand just to allow someone else to shoot it.

 

[stainless1911]

Hmm, interesting point you bring up. Someone who knows the law very thoroughly let me shoot 2 of his MGs. Thank you again sir, I'll never forget.

So why then, would it be neccessary to have a trust?

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

Hmm, interesting point you bring up. Someone who knows the law very thoroughly let me shoot 2 of his MGs. Thank you again sir, I'll never forget.

So why then, would it be neccessary to have a trust?

Well for one, to avoid all kinds of legal pains in the rear for your family should something happen to you.

Also, it seems that while someone else can shoot it in your presence, I don't think you can leave it in anyone else's possession unless they are also licensed... so if you have a wife or something it might be a good idea.

 

[Shadow Bear]

And yes, a suppressor would help for shooting inside an apartment, however its an apartment. Know your target and what is beyond it! Frangible rounds could help with "shoot throughs" and misses.
Also maybe invite yourself over for a "get to know your neighbor" night, and see what the lay out of there apartment is. Its what I did when I was staying in an apartment in Baton Rouge, and it helped me make a plan as to where good "fields of fire" were.

Please don't forget the sarcasm signs- someone might think you were serious about firing a weapon inside an appartment.

Either way, this sort of stuff will show up in someone's trial....:uhoh:

 

[stainless1911]

I think he meant defensively.

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

I think he meant defensively.

Definitely... I've been around long enough to know that target shooting in an apartment building is not a safe hobby.

 

[Shadow Bear]

Definitely... I've been around long enough to know that target shooting in an apartment building is not a safe hobby.

Ah, gotcha! I missed that. Whew...:uhoh:

Personally, I don't think I want to have that discussion with the prostituting attorney, though. He'd have a field day with the suppressor, I'm sure. He'll trot that out like it was a snake from hell, waving it under the jurors' noses and telling them it was a tool of a professional killer, just like in the movies.....:uhoh:

 

[smellslikemichigan]

http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/view/news.asp?articleid=6162&zoneid=6

today's mcrgo legal updates newsletter also addressed this subject.

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

Ah, gotcha! I missed that. Whew...:uhoh:

Personally, I don't think I want to have that discussion with the prostituting attorney, though. He'd have a field day with the suppressor, I'm sure. He'll trot that out like it was a snake from hell, waving it under the jurors' noses and telling them it was a tool of a professional killer, just like in the movies.....:uhoh:

I'm willing to bet he's responsible for more deaths than I would be at that point though... so who is the real professional killer?

 

[NHCGRPR45]

Please don't forget the sarcasm signs- someone might think you were serious about firing a weapon inside an appartment.

Either way, this sort of stuff will show up in someone's trial....:uhoh:

Ah yes, a clarification is in order. 1. Live fire practice in apartment = bad:uhoh: 2. Shooting to save my life and not killing neighbors + saving my hearing = good!
:monkey

Ah, gotcha! I missed that. Whew...:uhoh:

Personally, I don't think I want to have that discussion with the prostituting attorney, though. He'd have a field day with the suppressor, I'm sure. He'll trot that out like it was a snake from hell, waving it under the jurors' noses and telling them it was a tool of a professional killer, just like in the movies.....:uhoh:

Are we playing word games or did you just have a spelling oops?

 

[NHCGRPR45]

I'm willing to bet he's responsible for more deaths than I would be at that point though... so who is the real professional killer?

Who? Me or the dirtbag bad guy?

 

[stainless1911]

The prosecutor?