Well, not knowing any of the details leading to this letter, I'm not yet against them on this.
Until a particular court or official has been shown to be otherwise, they WORK for us and I don't appreciate someone who owes a legitimate debt to them going out of their way to be trying to waste their time on purpose.
If you legitimately only have $235 (or whatever it was) only available to you in unrolled pennies, that's one thing. But I suspect that is not the case here.
The Youtube video was linked to. It was not pennies. EVEN IF IT WAS pennies then they have to accept them. You don't know the history of the ticket/fine/etc.
The judge has stated that she does not know what Federal Reserve Notes are and that banks get to determine what money is.
I don't know the history because it wasn't on the letter or summarized, hence my admission that I did not know the history. You posted this for opinions (I assume) so that was mine. I need more reason to click a video when the usual purpose of doing so is to overdramatize and overnarrate without just giving me the facts to consider for myself.
Most people don't know what FRNs are. The judge didn't say they won't take them, just that they'd take them to the bank. I assume the bank would take them, so even without knowing what they are, she'll accept them. Most stores accept them everyday, but if you asked them, they'd probably say they don't because they won't know what you are talking about. So, that part just seems like making fun of people who have been bred to be ignorant of our money system through no real fault of their own.
Instead of focusing on my wrong example of pennies, how about the actual point I made? Is someone wanting to go out of their way and purposely trying to waste the time of the taxpayer's court? I have a problem with that. In fact, I'd call it contempt of court. Some courts deserve contempt. But you have to sell me on that before you sell me on someone's resolution of it.
...BTW it's your RIGHT to protest BS fines and such by making such payments in any form of legal US currency.
The traffic courts, IMO, are a blight on our society.
Thank you for the summary. That was done very well. And here I was thinking you'd just found something to discuss, not thinking it actually involved you personally, too. Because I could swear this was discussed last year.
I agree that the traffic laws and the courts are often wrong, and often (probably purposely) set up to convenience themselves at our expense (like odd hours of service).
And while I absolutely agree you have the right to the protest, I guess I just won't be on that picket line with you. I get my share of speeding tickets. I pay them.
But I do feel your pain, even if I picked a different battle to fight.
I had a speeding ticket, I went to pay the fine on the last day legally. I got to the court and the court said it was closed on a non-holiday (Wednesday). I had check the website for the court to get the hours and address. I then sent a letter certified mail stating that I was at this court on this day and time with full payment. The court made the choice to be closed and since it was not a holiday I would consider the fine paid in full unless I heard back from the court via certified mail within 30 days.
That was in November ? 2007 I did not hear back from them until April or later 2008 stating that it had doubled and then some for being late. I never got any letter from them before then much less via certified mail.
I called and asked if they would accept FRNs they would not say yes. I then went to pay the fine using one 'dollar' coins. That is where the Youtube video comes in. That is the courts second refusal of payment.
BTW it's your RIGHT to protest BS fines and such by making such payments in any form of legal US currency.
The traffic courts, IMO, are a blight on our society.
I agree with your point about traffic court. That being said, why are quizing the court about frns?
Is there actually any RCW or provision of the Uniform Commercial Code requiring a court to take any cash or coin payment?
§5103. Legal tender
United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
That took 5 seconds or so using a search engine and then another 30 to pull it up on the government info site.
Because, I wanted it on record that I had tendered payment. The FRN thing, I wanted on audio because no-one would believe me otherwise.
OK ... duly noted.
FYI .. tax collectors will not take coins either to pay your taxes .... not like 3-5K ... I know ...
but what is WASHINGTON LAW regarding the duty of courts to accept US Currency? just because it is tender does not require anyone to accept it. if you incurr a debt to me, and I say I will only accept payment in $10 dollar bills I have the right not to accept 20s.
which law or policy of Washington courts deals with what tender they may except.
A PRIVATE contract may be exchanged in any medium all parties agree to.
The calling in of a non-contractual debt cannot have such restrictions.
Otherwise a court could demand payment in 1000 dollar FRNs if you have a fine of more than 1000 FRNs.
Yes there are such notes, no they are not common, yes they are still legal tender.
Again, cite.
I cited the federal law.
If you want to know more look up the UCC.
I can't help your statist views. You'll always believe that the state is right, I can't help that.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/3/3-603