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VCDL's LOOK AT THE CASTLE DOCTRINE FOR VIRGINIA
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Euthanasia would be ok, but 'terminate with extreme prejudice' would be better.
2a4all
Regular Member
Well, perhaps we've been given a reprieve?
I called every member of the CoJ Committee to express my opposition.
I also e-mailed them.
'DelDAlbo@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelTKilgore@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelRBell@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelBCline@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelSIaquinto@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelTGilbert@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelJMiller@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelMLoupassi@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelRVillanueva@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelGHabeeb@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelPFarrell@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelRMinchew@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelRMorris@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelJJohnson@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelVWatts@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelDToscano@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelCHerring@house.virginia.gov'; 'DelJMcClellan@house.virginia.gov'
I am opposed to SB4.
This bill severely undermines the well-established protections already afforded Virginians under common law who find themselves in the unfortunate situation of having to defend themselves or others with the use of lethal force.
Please kill this bill, or replace it with:
"No person who has lawfully acted in self-defense or in the defense of another against the threat of serious bodily harm shall be subject to civil liability for any consequences of such actions."
Thank you.
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user
Accomplished Advocate
Appreciated, but don't even do that. The expression of one thing (defenses to civil liability) is the revocation /. rejection / repeal of the thing not mentioned (defenses to criminal responsibility). The way the self defense rule works in the absence of any statute is this:
"If you have a reasonably held, good faith belief, based on objective fact, that you or another innocent party is faced with the imminent threat of serious bodiliy injury, then you may use such force, up to and including deadly force, as may be necessary to quell that threat." This works in both civil and criminal litigation.
YES!
Snipped from NRA-ILA received today: Finally, another pro-gun bill, Senate Bill 4, was re-referred to the House Courts of Justice Committee where it will most likely remain since no more committee hearings have been scheduled.
The NRA is generally 100% right...........after the fact, when they can claim victory.
Snipped from NRA-ILA received today: Finally, another pro-gun bill, Senate Bill 4, was re-referred to the House Courts of Justice Committee where it will most likely remain since no more committee hearings have been scheduled.
The NRA is generally 100% right...........after the fact, when they can claim victory.
That's what I was told by a Senior member of the committee Grape!
We need to hold our breath for a week, then add Castle Doctrine, the real thing...to next years steam roller list.
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The irony aside of having to cheer the demise of a "pro" gun bill, good news.
A bill that threatened to wipe out hundreds of years of common law protection for choosing self-defense over the alternatives is hardly "pro" gun. I understand that you are in agreement.
We enjoy what is arguably the strongest Castle Doctrine defense/protection of all 50 states - codifying it so as to not take a hike backwards is the trick.
There are those that said 2012 would be a good year for 2A activists and they are right, but watch our smoke year. :banana:
Work is already underway for a better tomorrow.
Suspect that Colin is developing an ulcer and Lori's hair may turn white.
2a4all
Regular Member
I was thinking that the "lawfully acted" part would address criminal responsibility, then the "any consequences" part would preclude any civil liability. But if your lawful act resulted in the fatality of your attacker, that same fatality can't also be wrongful. Works for me.
Oh yeah, totally in agreement. Definitely didn't want us to lose what we have had. Just bemoaning how sad it is that finally having an attempt to codify it that it was a pretty hacked attempt.
You always have the right words Grape!
I'm trying to catch up the things I'm behind on this week including getting the Surry Side Master to the Duplicator.
I spent a little time yesterday on Castle Doctrine and as posted earlier, was told the chances of it becoming law are remote...but not out of the question just yet.
I need to finish the discussion site for Constitutional Carry and Dan's Castle Doctrine, then get everyone on it. Then hopefully, have agreement by all the 2A groups because we all need to be on the same page. I've given up on the term "Pro Gun" because there are lot of self proclaimed "Pro Gun" people that are willing to sell 2A in order to get their own wants.
I also have requests in for opinions on FOIA'ing police cruiser laptop's and department provided cell phones text messages and history logs...Thank you for the idea Novacop :lol:.......and how best to have the department filter them.
Sooooo...I think next week we can definitely get moving on next years agenda. It will take all year to educate the Legislators I think.
I'm also about a week late getting seeds set out in my cold frames.
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Marco
Regular Member
Those Castle Doctrine bills were never pro gun or pro personal defense.
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OK....looks like both bills are dead now:
HB48
02/23/12 House: Senate substitute rejected by House 12105463D-H1 (2-Y 97-N)
02/23/12 House: VOTE: REJECTED (2-Y 97-N)
HB48
02/23/12 House: Senate substitute rejected by House 12105463D-H1 (2-Y 97-N)
02/23/12 House: VOTE: REJECTED (2-Y 97-N)
Looks like we did our job! Message was delivered.
Operative word was WE , with super thanks to Dan for educating us; and VCDL including the LAC for all of their blood, sweat and tears.
Most of all though thanks are due to each and everyone for not giving up when the road looked rocky - unrelenting, steadfast bunch here.
user
Accomplished Advocate
As Granma Joad said in The Grapes of Wrath, "Purraise Gawd fur Vittory!!!"
Let me add one more group Grape...
It's not possible to catch each legislator and bend his/her ear. At best, I can catch one going to or from sessions or meetings or a few while smoking a cigarette.
The Legislative Assistants are the silent power and pipeline to the members. In many ways they are the most powerful people inthe GA.
Special thanks to them for this and everything they've assisted with!