I am absolutely, unequivocally opposed to LEOs in any but the most violent public schools. And, even then, I would only agree to have them outside in a parking lot or trailer, not allowed in the school unless there was violence that involved a weapon.
While everybody is thinking putting LEOs in schools is the way to solve mass murders, they overlook the abuses of school cops.
Just a couple I've run across: individual students strip searched on flimsy drug accusations; students lined up against the wall while drug dogs walked along and sniffed them for drugs; students unaware of their rights questioned at length without their parents present. For pete's sake, there is now case law in some jurisdictions about the relationship between cops, students, and rights. Summary: students ain't got much rights.
Cops aren't suddenly going to become angels just because they're working in a school. All the negatives that go with cops in society will be visited on our youth in schools.
Nevermind the additional cost of cops versus just letting CCW teachers and staff carry.
About the only bright point I can see is that maybe some kids will learn early what cops really are. But, since kids will be propagandized that Officer Bust is there to protect them, and kids will be fed all kinds of bogus justifications for police abuses, I am still opposed to cops in schools.
I am absolutely, unequivocally opposed to LEOs in any but the most violent public schools. And, even then, I would only agree to have them outside in a parking lot or trailer, not allowed in the school unless there was violence that involved a weapon.
While everybody is thinking putting LEOs in schools is the way to solve mass murders, they overlook the abuses of school cops.
Just a couple I've run across: individual students strip searched on flimsy drug accusations; students lined up against the wall while drug dogs walked along and sniffed them for drugs; students unaware of their rights questioned at length without their parents present. For pete's sake, there is now case law in some jurisdictions about the relationship between cops, students, and rights. Summary: students ain't got much rights.
Cops aren't suddenly going to become angels just because they're working in a school. All the negatives that go with cops in society will be visited on our youth in schools.
Nevermind the additional cost of cops versus just letting CCW teachers and staff carry.
About the only bright point I can see is that maybe some kids will learn early what cops really are. But, since kids will be propagandized that Officer Bust is there to protect them, and kids will be fed all kinds of bogus justifications for police abuses, I am still opposed to cops in schools.
I am absolutely, unequivocally opposed to LEOs in any but the most violent public schools. And, even then, I would only agree to have them outside in a parking lot or trailer, not allowed in the school unless there was violence that involved a weapon.
While everybody is thinking putting LEOs in schools is the way to solve mass murders, they overlook the abuses of school cops.
Just a couple I've run across: individual students strip searched on flimsy drug accusations; students lined up against the wall while drug dogs walked along and sniffed them for drugs; students unaware of their rights questioned at length without their parents present. For pete's sake, there is now case law in some jurisdictions about the relationship between cops, students, and rights. Summary: students ain't got much rights.
Cops aren't suddenly going to become angels just because they're working in a school. All the negatives that go with cops in society will be visited on our youth in schools.
Nevermind the additional cost of cops versus just letting CCW teachers and staff carry.
About the only bright point I can see is that maybe some kids will learn early what cops really are. But, since kids will be propagandized that Officer Bust is there to protect them, and kids will be fed all kinds of bogus justifications for police abuses, I am still opposed to cops in schools.
Citizen, the LEOs themselves have suggested LACs in the schools.
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...inutemen-can-protect-against-active-shooters/
Really, because my school district had an SRO program and none of that ever happened, must be like my gun that doesn't shoot people all its own, must be broken. Guess the SRO program isn't being managed right![]()
SNIP Just because it didn't happen in your school doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Probably also should check to see exactly what "it" he's talking about. Given some of his views, I'm betting he wouldn't even recognize some "it"s if they bit him.
On a side note, all I have to do is hear the Orwellian term school resource officer and I know something is up.
Citizen, the LEOs themselves have suggested LACs in the schools.
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...inutemen-can-protect-against-active-shooters/
Probably also should check to see exactly what "it" he's talking about. Given some of his views, I'm betting he wouldn't even recognize some "it"s if they bit him.
On a side note, all I have to do is hear the Orwellian term school resource officer and I know something is up.
As in, my local school district the SRO is not allowed to search lockers or bags, and is only allowed to make arrests for violations of state law that he observes, and stuff like that. the cop is not supposed to be enforcing school policy. It's a great program. The Deputy assigned to my old Junior High School was a fun guy, he would let the kids flick his baton open and allow children to turn on the lights and stuff on the patrol car, he was also physically like me, a short guy with a high kind of breaking voice, so he didn't look all that threatening either, never yelled. soft spoken type. He also had his ACLU membership card taped to the back of his police ID (no ****, he really did)
I think officers like that are a great influence for children actually. I don't think he ever made an arrest while I was there except for once when a kid assaulted another bad enough that an ambulance had to be called.
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Try this on for size, a “well regulated militia.”
Think about it !
Peace & RKBA 4ever !![]()
SNIP The citizenry able of bearing weapons as the militia, and to make regular as "regulated". In other words government should stay out of the way of citizens regularly bearing arms.
How many states even have an actual Militia anyways ?
I've looked up the one for my state & am not really sure if it's even active or accesible for membership.
I believe that in the near future, more people will be finding out about just what exactly IS availabe to become active in.
Do Gun Clubs qualify as a type of Militia ?
I'm under the impression that well-regulated includes practiced and disciplined militia. Meaning, we're supposed to be drilling.
We all know the government ain't gonna go along with that. A bunch of citizens with guns is an armed rabble. A bunch of citizens with guns, practiced in warfare, squad tactics and coordination, etc., is gonna be a tough nut to crack. Nope, the government ain't never gonna go along with militia training.
.The only positive aspect of fedgov aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan is that we've got a lot of young veterans who are recently trained
Can't remember which book I read it from , I'll have to go search because I could be way off base. That regulate meant "make regular". Same as in regulate commerce. Make it easy to do not impede it.
Reading Conceived in Liberty the local militias trained in some colonies and didn't in others, it seems though that the local arm bearing folks would rise quickly in some cases to defend their liberties from infringement.
Also was recently brought to attention that Washington sucked as a commander and at fighting the Brits in their method of war fare. It was individuals and local militias who didn't play by European rules of warfare that prevailed more against the Brits.
Absolutely correct, they wouldn't want to recognize that for a free state to exist........
True, and from many of the Vets I have met especially the younger ones who are informing themselves like the many veterans for Ron Paul, they won't easily roll over against their fellow citizens.
I'm under the impression private armies are seriously illegal. I've heard this comment a number of times in the context of gun clubs and so forth. I think IDPA may even mention it as a reason they don't conduct training--don't want to open themselves to accusations of training a private army.
VA has a statutory militia--able-bodied males aged (16-54?). But, I've never been called to drill. I don't recall the statute establishing drill frequency or anything of that sort.
You know, it might send a strong signal to the fedgov if gun owners started pestering their state legislatures to establish militia training. I'd go.
Also, it would send Feinstein a nice message. Propose banning guns and all of a sudden state militias start forming and training. Heh, heh, heh.