If you mess up on this forum does it cast a shadow on the forum? An unloaded gun is a poor paper weight like a computer is a poor boat anchor.I support a general proctice of not chambering a round at a OC picnic. If a situation arises where you need your weapon, you can rack the slide as you draw andare not loosing any time. If you can not do this, then you have not spent near enough time at the range. An OC picnic is different than general OC in town. If you mess up in town, you are an isolated person messing up. If you mess up at the picnic, it casts a shadow onthe picnic.
If you mess up on this forum does it cast a shadow on the forum? An unloaded gun is a poor paper weight like a computer is a poor boat anchor.
Refer to the above post....Carrying a paper weight isn't much use to anyone.
If you can not clear your weapon with your eyes closed, then you need to spend more time at home andat the range getting intimate with your weapon before you seriously consider carrying it.Having to unload a firearm in the rain, dark, and attempting to hide it from the public like people do here is just increasing the risk of ND's.
Let's get real? Yes, lets.Let's get real. We aren't talking about individuals who have 20 years experience with handling firearms 8 hours a day 5 days a week and who get complacent. We are talking about people who seldom get to the range and who have likely never had any formal training other than maybe hunters' safety when they were 12 years old.
If you truly believe that this is an issue, then you should keep your handgun in condition 3 and you do not have to worry about bullet set back along with your predicted inevitable ND. I dissagree that "eventually it will happen" to everyone. I know of people with 30+ years experience in high risk manufacturing jobs who have never been injured. Some individuals are prone to make stupid safety mistakes. If you train to do things methodically and do this whether you are at home or out in public, the odds are reduced down to a level that it will likely never happen.
I amstating that your premise of a "greater opportunity" does not equate to higher statistical probabilityof a ND.
Honestly? Really? Did you really just write that? How in the world does it not equate?
There is a disproportunately higher statistical probability of the untrained inexperienced individual having a ND for every 1000 handlings of a firearm than for the properly trained and experienced individual.
I would agree; however, I beleive the that the statistical difference between the trained and the untrained is much less than one would think. You are alot more careful with things you aren't intimately familar with. The first time you drove a car you had both hands on the wheel and no distractions. Now you may drive a car with one hand on the wheel, the other wrapped around a quarter pounder with cheese while talking on the cell phone held up to your ear with your shoulder.
Most people do not place their hands in front of the barrel when they discharge the firearm. Many people put their hands near nips, etc in manufactuting settings which can do as much or more physical harm. Those who follow the basic safety rules in these settingssimply do not get hurt. Those who do not, end up bleeding.We do not place the least experienced people in the most dangerous situations.
Point: "Those who follow the basic safety rules simply do not get hurt." Of course that's true but what would ever keep you from following those rules? The reason's could be two: Not knowing them (an untrained individual) or complacency. That's pretty much it.
Carrying your handgun in Condition 3 isin effect a less dangerous situation than condition 2. You can stil play stupid games and win stupid prizes,but the odds are diminished.
Once again; agree, but that wasn't the point.
The probability of discharge upon handling of a weaponcannot be developed in a vacuum based on arbitrary numbers; itmust becalculated based on the number of times it actually happens versus the times opportunity existed. Herego, it follows that given the probability of discharge is a function of the number of times weapons are handled,if you increase the number of times a weapon is handled,the probability of a discharge has increased proportionally. While I think that Condition 3 carry is a good option for me, I don't think that everyone feels the same way.
"Versus" is hardly an arithmetic operation and does not specify proportionality or inverse proportionality. It might mean 'against' and its root is 'overthrow'.Rick Finsta wrote:In strict accordance to your opening premise.....itmust becalculated based on the number of times it actually happens versus the times opportunity existed.
The more times thatweaponsare handled safely, the lower the statistical odds become that a negligent discharge will occur with each handling.
And I will counter with this statement, If the firearm does not need to be handled at all, I would be willing to bet the chances of having it discharge in any wayare absolutely ZERO!The more times thatweaponsare handled safely, the lower the statistical odds become that a negligent discharge will occur with each handling.
And I will counter with this statement, If the firearm does not need to be handled at all, I would be willing to bet the chances of having it discharge in any wayare absolutely ZERO!