Duty to Inform?

[OC for ME]

Some folks have primal need to placate a cop.

Cop: Excuse me sir, are you armed?
Me: ...

 

[Freedom1Man]

Its not just a conversation is it EriK?

Some people realize that perhaps millions have died and sacrificed over the last thousand years to win these rights. They don't take that lightly.


And yes it does turn to a tryannical state if people cooperate with the unliberty anti right demands of state agents. Germans thought they were free, much like you do.

I thought that the German people were free so long as they had their papers, government traveler license(s), bribe money, and the willingness to tell the police everything when an officer start up a simple conversation. Most of those conversations would start with something like, "papers please." Or is that the Union of 50 American states that we are talking about? I am confused they look the same to me.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Its not just a conversation is it EriK?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I have good enough judgement to know when....

And yes it does turn to a tryannical state if people cooperate with the unliberty anti right demands of state agents. Germans thought they were free, much like you do.

Walking the Godwin's law line now are we?

Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny...... I'm not going to rehash the old arguments I've had with you in the past.. OTher then to say I do not agree with your assessment.

 

[1245A Defender]

Wowwie!!!

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I have good enough judgement to know when....

Walking the Godwin's law line now are we?

Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny...... I'm not going to rehash the old arguments I've had with you in the past.. OTher then to say I do not agree with your assessment.

I have no words to waste replying to you,,,, But, see my new sig line!!

You have become quotable....

 

[Ajetpilot]

If you wish to turn every single conversation with a police officer into a constitutional argument then you go right ahead......

If there is no conversation, there is no argument. I simply refuse to answer any questions, as is my right.

 

[JoeSparky]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I have good enough judgement to know when....

Walking the Godwin's law line now are we?

Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny...... I'm not going to rehash the old arguments I've had with you in the past.. OTher then to say I do not agree with your assessment.

I saw and read the Signature line of another poster on this forum quoting one Samuel Adams---- I just wish I new which poster is was! Any help?

Basically, it said in response to what EMNofSeattle has said, Go on your way and leave us! We do not need you in our battle!

 

[1245A Defender]

Well,,,

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I have good enough judgement to know when....


I saw and read the Signature line of another poster on this forum quoting one Samuel Adams---- I just wish I new which poster is was! Any help?

Basically, it said in response to what EMNofSeattle has said, Go on your way and leave us! We do not need you in our battle!

I cant remember that poster, but I do the quote...
EDIT... I remember... it is gutshot... might be others as well...

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ― Samuel Adams

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I saw and read the Signature line of another poster on this forum quoting one Samuel Adams---- I just wish I new which poster is was! Any help?

Basically, it said in response to what EMNofSeattle has said, Go on your way and leave us! We do not need you in our battle!

Yes you do, I'm what's called a "sleeper" you'll be rounded up in the FEMA camps in week one if the government ever becomes what you fear.......... Because I haven't made strong anti government rantings i won't even by on the no knock raid lists when martial law is declared.... Don't burn the bridge today mr. Sparky.

Political freedom cannot exist without economic security...... No society proves otherwise. When we see actual tyranny arrive I will be wiling to fight. If the govt comes door to door for guns, or to round people up for concentration camps for political dissent, or decides jews make better ashes then people, I will take up arms....... If SVG starts a revolution.... I will probably sit that one out....

And BTW Samuel Adams whom you're paraphrasing, to the best of my knowledge , didn't serve a day in the continental army, he didn't give up any measure of wealth, his role was very minor once the war actually started. And I'm willing to bet that most of the people who actually died and fought for the new republic in the revolution were the same types of people he would've derided.....

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I have good enough judgement to know when....

Apparently not because the scenario presented isn't just a conversation.

Walking the Godwin's law line now are we?

Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny...... I'm not going to rehash the old arguments I've had with you in the past.. OTher then to say I do not agree with your assessment.

Goodwin was an idiot and people who invoke his so called law are trying to stifle others pointing out how history repeats itself.

We know liberty terrifies you, that is terrifying.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I thought that the German people were free so long as they had their papers, government traveler license(s), bribe money, and the willingness to tell the police everything when an officer start up a simple conversation. Most of those conversations would start with something like, "papers please." Or is that the Union of 50 American states that we are talking about? I am confused they look the same to me.

Hitler and Stalin and Mao could only dream about the compliant idiots and police state that has encroached into American life.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

If there is no conversation, there is no argument. I simply refuse to answer any questions, as is my right.

You are a knowledgeable patriot who understands what was sacrificed to get these rights. Kudos and much respect to you sir!

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Yes you do, I'm what's called a "sleeper" you'll be rounded up in the FEMA camps in week one if the government ever becomes what you fear.......... Because I haven't made strong anti government rantings i won't even by on the no knock raid lists when martial law is declared.... Don't burn the bridge today mr. Sparky.

Nope you will help line people up on the ditch.

Political freedom cannot exist without economic security...... No society proves otherwise. When we see actual tyranny arrive I will be wiling to fight. If the govt comes door to door for guns, or to round people up for concentration camps for political dissent, or decides jews make better ashes then people, I will take up arms....... If SVG starts a revolution.... I will probably sit that one out....

What utter hogwash. Economic security comes with political and general freedom and liberty. The stronger the state the less economic wealth and the less freedom. Or have you never looked at history at all?

Nope you will be like the Germans who thought they were free and help the state. Tyranny has arrived it is way stronger than what the founders fought for, we know you wouldn't have helped in that fight either.

And BTW Samuel Adams whom you're paraphrasing, to the best of my knowledge , didn't serve a day in the continental army, he didn't give up any measure of wealth, his role was very minor once the war actually started. And I'm willing to bet that most of the people who actually died and fought for the new republic in the revolution were the same types of people he would've derided.....

LOl...so? He helped change the mindset and risked everything he had by joining the radicals in pushing for independence. Picking up a weapon isn't the only measure of sacrifice. He was labeled a traitor by the conservatives of his time. And you would be dead wrong about who he would condemn, he was more of an anti federalist and even more radical than the more conservative federalist who took the opportunity to grab power.

Either way an ad hominem attack on the person doesn't make his quote any less true, now does it?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Goodwin was an idiot and people who invoke his so called law are trying to stifle others pointing out how history repeats itself.

We know liberty terrifies you, that is terrifying.

No, your perception of liberty terrifies me, liberty is great. I like liberty just fine....

Your praise of Native American soceity as voluntaristic (when most tribes practiced slavery, some were very warlike and aggressive, etc) and your honest to god belief that Somalia is better off with out a government, your slanted perception of life in the old west, where you've actually defended the actions of law enforcement agents which clearly violated people's rights. And your examples of tyranny are so benign, that I kinda have to wonder what exactly liberty means here.....

 

[HPmatt]

And BTW Samuel Adams whom you're paraphrasing, to the best of my knowledge , didn't serve a day in the continental army, he didn't give up any measure of wealth, his role was very minor once the war actually started. And I'm willing to bet that most of the people who actually died and fought for the new republic in the revolution were the same types of people he would've derided.....

Sam Adams did not serve. He true genius was that of a political strategist in rousing the rabble, along with Paul Revere. Helped build up tensions - Sons of Liberty - that set off the 'Boston Massacre' and the 'Boston Tea Party'. He was not a good businessman, he inherited his uncle's brewery business and proceeded to go broke. Public opinion of him as one of the instigators to action - to set the match to the Revolution - got Bostonians to collect money to buy him fine clothes and send him as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention - the portrait of him in red velvet coat by John Singleton Copley. He was a common man and comfortable among them, unlike his cousin John Adams.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

No, your perception of liberty terrifies me, liberty is great. I like liberty just fine....

Your praise of Native American soceity as voluntaristic (when most tribes practiced slavery, some were very warlike and aggressive, etc) and your honest to god belief that Somalia is better off with out a government, your slanted perception of life in the old west, where you've actually defended the actions of law enforcement agents which clearly violated people's rights. And your examples of tyranny are so benign, that I kinda have to wonder what exactly liberty means here.....

I see the problem you lack understanding and comprehension of what I have stated.

Many first nations were voluntyristic and way more peaceful than the warlike tribal Europeans that arrived. That doesn't mean all.

Um I have never defended the actions of law enforcement agents of the old west. Especially when it would trample rights, I call bullshite since individual rights is what I am all about.

I have proved to you in your own thread how the west was more civilized before the encroachment of the state and Feds.

Your continued comments in favor of statism and control show you don't have an f'ing clue what liberty means. Let me help you.....

Liberty means being unhindered by outside coercion as long as you are not harming or infringing upon others liberty.

Yes Nazi Germans much like you proclaimed they were free, so did supporters of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Che Guevara, Edi Amin.......etc.....

Since you have never actually countered anything I have said with any logic, and are the one for burdening mankind with your statism and socialism the burden of proof is upon you to prove why liberty isn't ideal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9srplWe_QQ

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I suppose you would have preferred Benedict Arnold.

He is a Tory.

Interesting side note on Arnold though, one reason he switched is because of the horrible way he was treated by the likes of George Washington. Another Federalist who would have remained perfectly happy remaining part of the mother land.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Sam Adams did not serve. He true genius was that of a political strategist in rousing the rabble, along with Paul Revere. Helped build up tensions - Sons of Liberty - that set off the 'Boston Massacre' and the 'Boston Tea Party'. He was not a good businessman, he inherited his uncle's brewery business and proceeded to go broke. Public opinion of him as one of the instigators to action - to set the match to the Revolution - got Bostonians to collect money to buy him fine clothes and send him as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention - the portrait of him in red velvet coat by John Singleton Copley. He was a common man and comfortable among them, unlike his cousin John Adams.

+1 His words along with the words of those like Thomas Paine, helped the British citizens realize they owed no allegiance to a king and that they were not his subjects but his equals.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

I would rather take a traffic citation than to give up my Fifth Amendment rights and answer any questions.

+10000000 give or take a few, no cost of a ticket could ever be worth my rights or any portion of them.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

No, your perception of liberty terrifies me, liberty is great. I like liberty just fine....

No you do not, liberty in your case has a price, to be precise the cost of your liberty is something less than the cost of a traffic ticket.

 

[Primus]

Yes you do, I'm what's called a "sleeper" you'll be rounded up in the FEMA camps in week one if the government ever becomes what you fear.......... Because I haven't made strong anti government rantings i won't even by on the no knock raid lists when martial law is declared.... Don't burn the bridge today mr. Sparky.

Political freedom cannot exist without economic security...... No society proves otherwise. When we see actual tyranny arrive I will be wiling to fight. If the govt comes door to door for guns, or to round people up for concentration camps for political dissent, or decides jews make better ashes then people, I will take up arms....... If SVG starts a revolution.... I will probably sit that one out....

And BTW Samuel Adams whom you're paraphrasing, to the best of my knowledge , didn't serve a day in the continental army, he didn't give up any measure of wealth, his role was very minor once the war actually started. And I'm willing to bet that most of the people who actually died and fought for the new republic in the revolution were the same types of people he would've derided.....

Nailed it. Qft.

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