• We are now running on a new, and hopefully much-improved, server. In addition we are also on new forum software. Any move entails a lot of technical details and I suspect we will encounter a few issues as the new server goes live. Please be patient with us. It will be worth it! :) Please help by posting all issues here.
  • The forum will be down for about an hour this weekend for maintenance. I apologize for the inconvenience.
  • If you are having trouble seeing the forum then you may need to clear your browser's DNS cache. Click here for instructions on how to do that
  • Please review the Forum Rules frequently as we are constantly trying to improve the forum for our members and visitors.

FBI agent loses his gun while dancing

gutshot II

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2017
Messages
782
Location
Central Ky.
At no time did I ever say that SOB was the best way to carry, my preferred method of carrying, that SOB is a better way to carry, that I recommend SOB as a way to carry or that nothing could ever go wrong when a person carries SOB. All I suggested is that the rule, law, order, demand or whatever else it was that "you never carry a firearm in the small of your back, period" was without any foundation in fact, an exaggeration, not representative of common practice and was just an opinion that was over stated as fact and manditory. It is not fact and the practice of carrying SOB is a choice that anyone can make and many do make. None of us is required to abstain from SOB. As a matter of fact, I think I'll carry SOB, all day tomorrow, period.
 

Fallschirjmäger

Active member
Joined
Aug 4, 2007
Messages
3,823
Location
Cumming, Georgia, USA
As a federal agent, local judicial statutes would not apply to him, but the agent might have violated federal LEOSA statatory mandates. For example, prohibits carrying firearms when under the influence of alcohol or any intoxicating or hallucinatory substance. Unquote. 926B (C)(5) and 926C (C)(6).; as well as LEOSA does not supersede state laws permitting private property owners from limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons on their property.This would include public bars, private clubs, and places, such as amusement parks. 926B(b)(1) and § 926C(b)(1).

Local judicial statues wouldn't apply? Where does that little bit of jurisprudence come from?
If he robbed a bank and bank robbery were against state law does that mean it doesn't apply to "Mr. G-man"?
Can he be charged with violating any state law against rape?
Can he be charged with arson if he sets fire to someone's house after he got done showing off his sick dance moves?
 

OC for ME

Regular Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
12,452
Location
White Oak Plantation
...

Charging some one and getting a conviction is totally different.

Just because a unintentional discharge happen doesn't mean a crime did.
Perhaps you are right. Then again, a local shyster sees it differently.

Instead of being arrested, he was turned over to his FBI supervisor, a move some experts believe is a clear case of special treatment.

"There is no question in my mind if anyone else other than law enforcement engaged in that behavior with this result, they would be charged with prohibitive use of weapons, illegal discharge of weapon," attorney Christopher Decker said

http://kdvr.com/2018/06/04/questions-remain-after-fbi-agents-gun-goes-off-in-denver-nightclub/
More confirmation that many cops of all stripes rely upon "professional courtesy" and see themselves as exempt from the laws of the land and the "laws" of society. When we all must rely upon cops to police themselves we can all rely upon justice not being served.

More evidence that this nitwit fed will see little in the way of consequences for his criminal act.
“Possible charges regarding the incident are pending laboratory results taken from the (FBI agent), to determine if alcohol was a factor and forensic evidence,” according to a Denver police tweet.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/04/denver-fbi-agent-dancing-shooting/
And the pièce de résistance!
"We trust the system," he said. "When it became public that an FBI agent was involved, there was going to be an inquiry into what happened. They'll determine the facts -- whether he was on duty, whether the weapon was properly secured, what actions were involved, and whether he was exercising proper decorum."
It is possible that the Denver PD is in the unenviable position of being forced to go through the motions of a investigation. And everyone knowing that not much, if anything, will become of this and that the victim of this violent crime will not receive any meaningful compensation.

Without the video the FBI guy likely would have alleged that the victim was trying to disarm him and that the victim was the cause of his injuries.
 

color of law

Accomplished Advocate
Joined
Oct 7, 2007
Messages
5,959
Location
Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
At no time did I ever say that SOB was the best way to carry, my preferred method of carrying, that SOB is a better way to carry, that I recommend SOB as a way to carry or that nothing could ever go wrong when a person carries SOB. All I suggested is that the rule, law, order, demand or whatever else it was that "you never carry a firearm in the small of your back, period" was without any foundation in fact, an exaggeration, not representative of common practice and was just an opinion that was over stated as fact and manditory. It is not fact and the practice of carrying SOB is a choice that anyone can make and many do make. None of us is required to abstain from SOB. As a matter of fact, I think I'll carry SOB, all day tomorrow, period.
All of this, but doesn't take issue with "The mix of guns and scantily-clad women is a recipe for disaster."

My understanding is that keeping the elderly's mind active helps prevent Alzheimer. I'll continue to do my part.
 

solus

Regular Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2013
Messages
9,315
Location
here nc
Local judicial statues wouldn't apply? Where does that little bit of jurisprudence come from?
If he robbed a bank and bank robbery were against state law does that mean it doesn't apply to "Mr. G-man"?
Can he be charged with violating any state law against rape?
Can he be charged with arson if he sets fire to someone's house after he got done showing off his sick dance moves?

I am truly, and extremely sorry the august member from the Peach state misconstruded my phrasing, "As a federal agent, local judicial statutes would not apply to him," of the FBI Agent's mishandling of their firearm.

My intent since, as the thread was discussing what CO/Denver legal issues the Federal Agent might face, hence the use of my term "local judicial statutes" was directly pointed, for this thread's purposes, strictly referring to the Mile High City and Colorado FIREARM statutes and my use of the word "but" was meant as a contrast since there are caveats to Federal LEOSA which as I pointed out in the remainder of my sentence - "
but the agent might have violated federal LEOSA statutory mandates."

As for those other ridiculous statutory infractions you mentioned, I believe you know LEOSAct does not function as a 'get out of jail' preemption from prosecution, now don't you!

Cheers
 
Last edited:

gutshot II

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2017
Messages
782
Location
Central Ky.
At no time did I ever say that SOB was the best way to carry, my preferred method of carrying, that SOB is a better way to carry, that I recommend SOB as a way to carry or that nothing could ever go wrong when a person carries SOB. All I suggested is that the rule, law, order, demand or whatever else it was that "you never carry a firearm in the small of your back, period" was without any foundation in fact, an exaggeration, not representative of common practice and was just an opinion that was over stated as fact and manditory. It is not fact and the practice of carrying SOB is a choice that anyone can make and many do make. None of us is required to abstain from SOB. As a matter of fact, I think I'll carry SOB, all day tomorrow, period.

All of this, but doesn't take issue with "The mix of guns and scantily-clad women is a recipe for disaster."

My understanding is that keeping the elderly's mind active helps prevent Alzheimer. I'll continue to do my part.

Great news! I have returned home from a full day of carrying SOB. I sustained no injury and suffered no remonstrations despite the demand here on OCDO that it not be done, period. I know there will great speculation that it was only luck that I wasn't struck dead, but today was so successful that I am thinking of going for two in a row. We'll see what tomorrow might bring. Dare I?
 

since9

Campaign Veteran
Joined
Jan 14, 2010
Messages
6,964
Location
Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Local judicial statues wouldn't apply? Where does that little bit of jurisprudence come from?
If he robbed a bank and bank robbery were against state law does that mean it doesn't apply to "Mr. G-man"?
Can he be charged with violating any state law against rape?
Can he be charged with arson if he sets fire to someone's house after he got done showing off his sick dance moves?

Exactly. No one is above the law. Local laws always apply. So much so that briefings on local legal peculiarities are routine for all relocating federal/military personnel.
 

solus

Regular Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2013
Messages
9,315
Location
here nc
I think you should ask Lon Horiuchi about that.

I so wish I had stayed in blissful ignorance about this individual, truly I do.


Disappointed, Troy industries hired both Horiuchi & his partner Monroe...

and it only cost the FBI 3.1M in conscious money
 

solus

Regular Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2013
Messages
9,315
Location
here nc
"FBI agent who accidentally fired gun after performing backflip in club charged with assault"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...forming-backflip-in-club-charged-with-assault

Maybe there's hope yet. I support LE but not blindly, not double standards or corruption, so taking "running amok" seriously is a good thing.

Alas, charged only sates those who are whining about the injustice of it all.

Recent history shows LE conviction is rare except in egregious cases.

Just saying...
 

gutshot II

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2017
Messages
782
Location
Central Ky.
"FBI agent who accidentally fired gun after performing backflip in club charged with assault"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...forming-backflip-in-club-charged-with-assault

Maybe there's hope yet. I support LE but not blindly, not double standards or corruption, so taking "running amok" seriously is a good thing.

I fear this will end with one of three scenarios.

1. Agent Bishop is quickly transferred to the FBI post at Nome, Alaska, and will be "unavailable" for any court proceedings.

2. Agent Bishop is offered a plea bargain of 100 hours of community service and all charges dismissed. Service in the FBI will be credited as "community service".

3. Rob Rosenstein gives Agent Bishop a commendation and charges are dropped due to some previously unknown "heroic" actions, as Jeff Sessions is quoted as saying, "Who? He did what?".
 

Firearms Iinstuctor

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2011
Messages
3,431
Location
northern wis
I read that they are charging him with 2nd degree assault.



18-3-203. Assault in the second degree
CO - Colorado Revised Statutes Annotated C.R.S. 18-3-203



TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE > ARTICLE 3. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON > PART 2. ASSAULTS

(1) A person commits the crime of assault in the second degree if: (a) Repealed. (b) With intent to cause bodily injury to another person, he or she causes such injury to any person by means of a deadly weapon; or (c) With intent to prevent one whom he or she knows, or should know, to be a peace officer, firefighter, emergency medical care provider, or emergency medical service provider from performing a lawful duty, he or she intentionally causes bodily injury to any person; or (c.5) With intent to prevent one whom he or ...
 
Last edited:

solus

Regular Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2013
Messages
9,315
Location
here nc
I read that they are charging him with 2nd degree assault.



18-3-203. Assault in the second degree
CO - Colorado Revised Statutes Annotated C.R.S. 18-3-203



TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE > ARTICLE 3. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON > PART 2. ASSAULTS

(1) A person commits the crime of assault in the second degree if: (a) Repealed. (b) With intent to cause bodily injury to another person, he or she causes such injury to any person by means of a deadly weapon; or (c) With intent to prevent one whom he or she knows, or should know, to be a peace officer, firefighter, emergency medical care provider, or emergency medical service provider from performing a lawful duty, he or she intentionally causes bodily injury to any person; or (c.5) With intent to prevent one whom he or ...

Well guess the agent is off the hook...”Your honor I had no ‘intent to cause...’ to another person...”

As stated a dog & pony show to sate the masses!
 

CitizenJohn

Regular Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2013
Messages
77
Location
Clark County, WA
Of the clips I've watched, after the pistol discharges the agent simply reinserts it into his waistband (holster?), smiles and waves his arms and walks off. We don't see what he did 5 seconds later but it appears that he left the immediate area without checking to see if anyone had been hit. That act must violate some legal standard?
 
Top