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lil_freak_66

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loved it.

left a comment on there about women carrying concealed,openly and not at all.

its a very well known and used argument in the firearms community,both by OCers and CCers.



i favorited it too
 

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Big Gay Al

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Yeah, I saw that, but decided to start my own thread anyway. ;)

Actually, I had a brain fart and forgot about the other thread completely. :uhoh:
 

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I wish he was right, I wish he was on the Supreme Court, but He is wrong.......................He even slipped, he started to say the gun right is protected from the Fed...Constitution.
He should have finished the word Federal. He is right that you are invited, but you are not forced to go in, as oppose to a Post offic, court, etc. therefore your rights are not being shed or striped. You may be denied to go into Starbucks, but I don't recall seeing that right to enter Starbucks in the Constitution. Now if the Feds. start telling me to go to Starbucks well then we have a case.
Furthermore if Starbucks is a so called public accommodation, and required to serve the public, this kinda means that starbucks cannot close at any time for any reason because it might deny you the right to carry a gun, and that is just stupid.
 

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CrossPistols wrote:
I wish he was right, I wish he was on the Supreme Court, but He is wrong.......................He even slipped, he started to say the gun right is protected from the Fed...Constitution.
He should have finished the word Federal. He is right that you are invited, but you are not forced to go in, as oppose to a Post offic, court, etc. therefore your rights are not being shed or striped. You may be denied to go into Starbucks, but I don't recall seeing that right to enter Starbucks in the Constitution. Now if the Feds. start telling me to go to Starbucks well then we have a case.
Furthermore if Starbucks is a so called public accommodation, and required to serve the public, this kinda means that starbucks cannot close at any time for any reason because it might deny you the right to carry a gun, and that is just stupid.
Not according to US Code.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/12181.html

Also the City of Phoenix.
http://phoenix.gov/eod/discpubl.html

Basically, any business open to the public, is a public accommodation.
 

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CrossPistols wrote:
Your point?

oh ok Now it is clearer i agree it is a public accommodation, but the key word is Invite, not forced
True, you're not forced to go in, but I think the Judge.....actually, I don't know what the judge's point is. I wonder, if I asked him, would he explain in greater detail? I'll have to try that.
 

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Big Gay Al wrote:
CrossPistols wrote:
Your point?

oh ok Now it is clearer i agree it is a public accommodation, but the key word is Invite, not forced
True, you're not forced to go in, but I think the Judge.....actually, I don't know what the judge's point is. I wonder, if I asked him, would he explain in greater detail? I'll have to try that.
Believe me if the supreme court ruled his way. I would be in seventh heaven, but you know as well as I that if we went into a Michigan store with a gun, and they said leave because of the gun, and we did not. The police would show up and escort us to jail, based on Trespass, this is why I don't think he is right. Plus I like the Idea of being able to say what and what is not ok in my store, remember I pay the taxes, and I am Liable for any and everything that happens.
 

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CrossPistols wrote:
Big Gay Al wrote:
CrossPistols wrote:
Your point?

oh ok Now it is clearer i agree it is a public accommodation, but the key word is Invite, not forced
True, you're not forced to go in, but I think the Judge.....actually, I don't know what the judge's point is. I wonder, if I asked him, would he explain in greater detail? I'll have to try that.
Believe me if the supreme court ruled his way. I would be in seventh heaven, but you know as well as I that if we went into a Michigan store with a gun, and they said leave because of the gun, and we did not. The police would show up and escort us to jail, based on Trespass, this is why I don't think he is right. Plus I like the Idea of being able to say what and what is not ok in my store, remember I pay the taxes, and I am Liable for any and everything that happens.
If I go into a store, and they deny me service because I'm packing, the smart thing to do is leave and then sue them. Problem is, with things they way they are, I'd have a hard time finding a lawyer who'd take the case, and and even harder time finding a judge who would treat it right.

Unless I was in Judge Napolitano's jurisdiction. ;)
 
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