Firedawg314
Regular Member
The logic is simple. You are not required to carry ID, you may not be arrested for not carrying ID. If a police officer comes up to you and ask for your ID just because you have a firearm, he is asking you for consent to seize your ID. If you say yes, you have given consent. Not unlike what SCOTUS just ruled about the 5th, your right to remain silent, YOU have the full responsibility to assert it and he has no duty what so ever to inform you of as much.
Officers are highly trained in obtaining consent and do so on a regular basis.
If you are as you say innocent and it is harmless, then you need to ask yourself why you are allowing this perfect stranger into your life at all. A **** pot of cops are thrown in jail every year, though the vast majority are basicly really decent folks.
If he has any reason what so ever to suspect you, then you are being detained and he can indeed demand it. You missing the logic is not understanding that the rules change across the contact and can change instantly. There is no reason to engage them at all because it can ONLY go to the next level, that is his ONLY goal. Casual/detain/custody and at no time what so ever is the officer required to tell the truth or inform you of your rights. If you are in stage one, his threat of dragging you down to the station and identify you is false and a threat against your libery violating your rights.
The logic, NEVER GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS.
Good point, what you speak of, is very deep. We have been "lied" to for years. Remember as kids... "The police are your friends" "If in trouble, fine a cop, and they will help you..." Then you get older, you find out that cops are afraid of teenagers and will quickly assume all are out to no good. Then as adults, most believe that you have a past to hide and you will do anything to keep it that way.
To be honest... thinking about what you just said.... If I am carrying a firearm, assuming CC or even OC, but lest assume CC and he/she notice you have one. So, what some will do, ask you for your ID. 9 times out of 10, I would have shown it and the cop would seen my CCW number and I could only assume they will end the ill thoughts about me.
Knowing one's rights and knowing how to use one's rights, I see are two different things. I think we all need to take a monthly class on using our rights with a local lawyer.