It's official, MKEGal charged with 941.23

[bigdaddy1]

NOT GUILTY!!!!!!
Now, how many dancing monkeys can I throw in here?
:monkey :banana: :monkey :banana: :monkey :banana:

I am very happy and very relieved for you Krista.

 

[MKEgal]

I wish you could sue them for all court and lawyer fees, mandatory training (from you), a public apology from the officers involved (on the local news), and enough for a new toy to use at the range.

Wish in one hand... :uhoh:
It would be nice to have a G18 [automatic / select-fire 9mm pistol], just for the coolness factor. Can't imagine any real use for it, but it would be neat to have.
Of course, I think the Chief or Sheriff would still have to sign off on my ownership application; that could be part of the whole deal.

Here in my mom's town of Prescott where my leo friend lives, he told me that the chief does not believe in the second amendment. My leo friend had to straighten him out.

We need more good people like your friend.

On another note the FFL holder who owns our local hardware store when I told him about my gun being sent to his store, totally changed his demeanor.

I'm guessing you mean he seemed hostile? I can't imagine why. You're bringing him money.
Did you ask him?

MKE you have put yourself in the leadership position regarding OC etc...

Oh, geez. You're at least the second person who's said that.

Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?

 

[Grapeshot]

Originally Posted by Law abider

--snip--
MKE you have put yourself in the leadership position regarding OC etc...

Originally Posted by MKEgal

Oh, geez. You're at least the second person who's said that.

It's fate MKEgal - the cards have been dealt.
People will never forget that you not only stood up for yourself, but for them as well.

Have fun, it goes with the territory.

 

[TyGuy]

The greatest leaders are the ones thrust into it, not the ones that seek it.

 

[MKEgal]

Have fun, it goes with the territory.

 

[MKEgal]

Just checked the online record, & it's finally updated to show "closed" & "not guilty".

Krysta Sutterfield was found not guilty on all charges in this case. These charges were not proven and have no legal effect. Krysta Sutterfield is presumed innocent.
On one or more charges, Krysta Sutterfield was found not guilty. These charges were not proven and have no legal effect. Krysta Sutterfield is presumed innocent of the not guilty charges.

Now if employers will just pay attention to that... :uhoh:

ETA: and the order for the return of my property is in there too.

Signed, Filed & Distributed, Order: Ordered that the City of Milwaukee Police Department return Items 1-20, on attached inventory sheets (all items).

Now let's see how long it takes MPD to follow the judge's order.
For some reason, they seem to think that an order from a judge isn't enough - they send all property returns to one of their ass. chiefs to be signed, which can take a week or two.

 

[KYGlockster]

Wish in one hand... :uhoh:
Of course, I think the Chief or Sheriff would still have to sign off on my ownership application; that could be part of the whole deal.
.

You can always start an NFA gun trust and exclude the CLEO's signature altogether!

 

[Grapeshot]

Just checked the online record, & it's finally updated to show "closed" & "not guilty".

Now if employers will just pay attention to that... :uhoh:

--snip--

It is illegal to ask an applicant whether they have ever been arrested in Wisconsin. They may ask about convictions however.

http://www.legalmomentum.org/assets/pdfs/answeringcrquestions.pdf

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

You can always start an NFA gun trust and exclude the CLEO's signature altogether!

ATF says that even a trust needs a CLEO signature for full auto...:cuss:

 

[MKEgal]

It is illegal to ask an applicant whether they have ever been arrested in Wisconsin. They may ask about convictions however.
http://www.legalmomentum.org/assets/pdfs/answeringcrquestions.pdf

They can ask about convictions and any pending charges (if they relate to the job).
Past arrests are off-limits.
Doesn't stop some places from blatantly illegal questions, and I'm afraid if I ignore their "have you ever been arrested?" crap & get hired, they might decide to fire me because I "wasn't honest" on the application.

Never mind that they broke the law & I didn't...

 

[McX]

and dont forget, those of the left may whisper in the ear of a potential employer, and though the law states that charges you have been found innocent of, cant and shouldnt be considered against you, behind the scenes, or closed doors they will or might. the left will employ all measures of deceptions, and false information to damage the reputation of the vindicated and law abiding. i have seen this first hand.

 

[KBCraig]

ATF says that even a trust needs a CLEO signature for full auto...:cuss:

We're way off topic from MKEgal here, but: sez who? Not the ATF's own rules, and not the ATF Form 4.

From the Form 4 instructions:

e. Law Enforcement Certification. Item 17 must be completed for an individual transferee, unless the transferee is licensed as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer under the GCA and is a special (occupational) taxpayer under the NFA at the time of the submission of the application for transfer.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

It only has to be completed for an individual transferee. Corporations, trusts, museums, etc., are not individuals.

ATF has a proposed rule change that eliminates the CLEO sign-off completely.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

So to get back on topic.

CONGRATS!:banana:

but.....

Just to clarify this (as in MKEgirl winning) still won't stop something similiar from happening in the future to someone else?

I am under 21 and still do the dance to prevent any of the concealed issues. Which at times makes me have to choose to carry with the hassle or to not carry and avoid it.

 

[E6chevron]

Just checked the online record, & it's finally updated to show "closed" & "not guilty".

Now if employers will just pay attention to that... :uhoh:

ETA: and the order for the return of my property is in there too.

Now let's see how long it takes MPD to follow the judge's order.
For some reason, they seem to think that an order from a judge isn't enough - they send all property returns to one of their ass. chiefs to be signed, which can take a week or two.

Your are typing too fast, you forgot the "t" when abbreviating asst. chiefs. ... right?

 

[davidmcbeth]

The prosecutor tried as hard as he could to get around the judge telling him he's not allowed to use the language of Walls, at least in jury instructions.
But he actually argued (to the jury) that since the officer standing behind me & to my left, outside my car, couldn't see the pistol carried in front of my right hip it was "concealed to ordinary observation".
I think the jury understood that "ordinary observation" does not include X-ray vision, which would be required to see through a person, even without a car seat in the way too.

You could be on an opposite side of a low wall too and it would be the same ... the cop cannot see it from where he's at. The law does not say a 360° field of view in every orientation. Stupid prosecutor..sound like he would have said anything.

 

[Grapeshot]

Originally Posted by MKEgal

--snip--
Now let's see how long it takes MPD to follow the judge's order.
For some reason, they seem to think that an order from a judge isn't enough - they send all property returns to one of their ass. chiefs to be signed, which can take a week or two.

Your are typing too fast, you forgot the "t" when abbreviating asst. chiefs. ... right?

Think one one refers to "assorted" the other to "assistant".

At least that is my take on it.

 

[VW_Factor]

Wanted to say Congratulations!

Well deserved victory against unlawful prosecution.

 

[Shotgun]

Think one one refers to "assorted" the other to "assistant".

At least that is my take on it.

Not mine.

 

[Grapeshot]

Not mine.

Use of the emoticon was intended to show a light hearted response. Are you suggesting that we be less flexible?

IMO MBKgal has every reason to be upset with the local PD and that she is not bashing but showing her frustration with the chain of command in place and how they are treating her.

 

[MAC702]

It's fate MKEgal - the cards have been dealt.
People will never forget that you not only stood up for yourself, but for them as well.

Have fun, it goes with the territory.

I think she's earned a few stars at least. She's done more than most of the rest of us that have them.

I realize it's just a small thing, but showing the community here her leadership value to our cause is worth noting.