Sorry bout that... I was attempting to differentiate pedestrian vs in a car. The OC is obvious while a pedestrian.An openly carried firearm is not obvious if worn at 4+ o'clock in a car seat and under a seat belt, perhaps not even to officer on the passenger side window. It is quite easy to miss, especially, if not a contrasting color. Yet, to my knowledge, this is still OC and no permit required. But if you do have a permit...
Yep. Since our Supreme Court has been occupied mostly by lawyers that can't read they ignorantly hand over the power to the executive branch to mess with us at will. They wouldn't do such things on purpose... would they?!?I agree, my points is some cops are ignorant, some are bass-holes and some prosecutors want to make names for themselves and I just want people to be aware of the possibilities that they may have to deal with.
Moving the gun to under the seat can be problematic when in the midst of a traffic stop.Sorry bout that... I was attempting to differentiate pedestrian vs in a car. The OC is obvious while a pedestrian.
You're right, once in a car it can be hidden from view. In La., in order to be "concealed", one must have the intent to conceal, so your example is still one of OC. However, I can see how an officer may be a bit miffed at a CC permit holder for refusing to inform if it wasn't readily viewable.
I'm not a cc guy so I'm not required to inform, but if I were stopped with my sidearm in its holster and the officer approached the passenger side, I would most certainly have both of my hands on the wheel so that my hands and the firearm are viewable. In reality this never happens. When I'm involved in a traffic stop my sidearm goes under my seat and I make no mention of it. Telling a cop you have a firearm allows them (because there's no reading aptitude requirement for Supreme Court Justices) to remove it and run the serial number, adding time to the initial stop. I don't like hanging out with people while they build evidence against me.
Well, we've certainly had our fair share of threads on vehicle carry here, and I agree with your statement. However, it's not problematic for me in practice. I drive fast and this usually results in 2 or 3 traffic stops a year for me. Under the seat it goes and my license, ins and reg is in my hand out the window in seconds. I don't keep those things separately and I don't keep them in my glove box. The process is efficient and safe. However, for those that would incur a lot of obvious movement inside the vehicle I would recommend other options.Moving the gun to under the seat can be problematic when in the midst of a traffic stop.