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memorial day 2019

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As we know Memorial Day is a solemn day for remembrance and honoring those who have died in service to our nation.

As a lad growing up, my Grandparents always made the trek to the cemetery to place a flag on Huron's plot.

Seems Great Uncle Huron did his patriotic duty and signed up for service in the Army and on his first overseas deployment he died at 25 in 1918 at the battle of St. Mihiel France.

Thanks to the WWW, there is specific historical data which my GParents/Mother only dreamed of knowing about where Huron died https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saint-Mihiel

Today, the cemetery(ies) do the due diligence of putting up flags for those who died so long ago or in the conflicts ongoing.

Take a moment next Monday if you have verbal familial history of a relative who passed in the service of our nation, and say THANKS...
 

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My grandfather was in the Army during WW1 and my father during Korea. Fortunately for me (and them), neither were sent overseas.
For those who did and came back - "Thank you from the bottom of my heart".
For those who didn't come back - "Rest in Peace and May the Lord Bless and Keep you."
 

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So tell me what are we supposed to celebrate about?

Maybe for the Veterans that participated in WW2 and before, it was fought for defense of Country and Honor, but i see all other wars after WW2 is a joke and those wars are dishonorable wars without a good cause.
 
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So tell me what are we supposed to celebrate about?

Maybe for the Veterans that participated in WW2 and it was fought for defense of Country and Honor, but i see all other wars after WW2 is a joke and those wars are dishonorable wars without a good cause.
Perhaps the wars you speak of were not necessary and you have some validity in saying so. However, that does not detract from the fact that those men and women served honorably doing what was required of them in service to their nation.

TBG
 

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Requiring for who and for what purpose?..... to use young Americans as a sacrificial lambs in their Chess game?

If those dead soldiers were alive, what would you think they will say? We lost a lot of good young Americans over fruitless wars and it continues till today.

The US can't even take care of it own house problems, how are we expecting to take care of other country problems?
 
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So tell me what are we supposed to celebrate about?

Maybe for the Veterans that participated in WW2 and it was fought for defense of Country and Honor, but i see all other wars after WW2 is a joke and those wars are dishonorable wars without a good cause.
Requiring for who and for what purpose?..... to use young Americans as a sacrificial lambs in their Chess game?
I am sorry youn' please re-read my initial post...did you see the term/word CELEBRATE in my original post about CELEBRATE - I believe the words were..."solemn day for remembrance and honoring" to those who died while serving in this nation's armed forces over the years!

WWI wasn't singled but as it was the time frame within my familial cohort where a relative passed it played a significant part of the verbal history associated within the cohort's history as someone who did their highest duty to their country.

Further, misuse of the concept 'to use young Americans' does not truly reflect the history of this nation's citizens who actively participate in defense activities against real or perceived transgressors to assure our past/future way of life!

Sacrificial Lambs...heavens no!

So do those who have died in service of this nation deserve every citizens' thanks for giving the ultimate gift to assure this way of life continues...DARN STRAIGHT!

The proud women and men who currently serve in our armed forces do so w/o coercion or social pressure and these individuals are recognized during separate national holidays.

I am truly sorry that somewhere you lost that message in your civic courses!

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I am sorry youn' please re-read my initial post...did you see the term/word CELEBRATE in my original post about CELEBRATE - I believe the words were..."solemn day for remembrance and honoring" to those who died while serving in this nation's armed forces over the years!

WWI wasn't singled but as it was the time frame within my familial cohort where a relative passed it played a significant part of the verbal history associated within the cohort's history as someone who did their highest duty to their country.

Further, misuse of the concept 'to use young Americans' does not truly reflect the history of this nation's citizens who actively participate in defense activities against real or perceived transgressors to assure our past/future way of life!

Sacrificial Lambs...heavens no!

So do those who have died in service of this nation deserve every citizens' thanks for giving the ultimate gift to assure this way of life continues...DARN STRAIGHT!

The proud women and men who currently serve in our armed forces do so w/o coercion or social pressure and these individuals are recognized during separate national holidays.

I am truly sorry that somewhere you lost that message in your civic courses!
Are you kidding me????? Soldiers who enlist now, they are not enlisting because they believe in fighting for honor and "The right thing", they enlist nowadays because of the benefits they can obtain from taxpayers........ Look at all the recruitment commercials you see on TV nowadays and tell me that's Honorable?

The words "Honor" is written but not taught.

I still have my real US civic schooling before it was abolished from the school system.


"The proud women and men who currently serve in our armed forces do so w/o coercion or social pressure and these individuals are recognized during separate national holidays."

Ok keep telling yourself that
 
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Are you kidding me????? Soldiers who enlist now, they are not enlisting because they believe in fighting for honor and "The right thing", they enlist nowadays because of the benefits they can obtain........ Look at all the recruitment commercials you see on TV nowadays and tell and tell me that's Honorable?

The words "Honor" is written but not taught.
FreedomVA that you have the audacity to believe you might speak for all the armed force members currently servicing - Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines and that the primary rational they joined was for the benefits offered and you believe they do not or will not serve their branch of service honorably up to and including dying...

Now if you wish to discuss your rhetorical political agenda ~ please start your own thread on the subject!

BTW...might wish to reflect on the name you use on this sight and thank an active duty armed forces member or silently thank those who gave their life while serving so you could use the term FREEDOM!
 

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FreedomVA that you have the audacity to believe you might speak for all the armed force members currently servicing - Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines and that the primary rational they joined was for the benefits offered and you believe they do not or will not serve their branch of service honorably up to and including dying...

Now if you wish to discuss your rhetorical political agenda ~ please start your own thread on the subject!

BTW...might wish to reflect on the name you use on this sight and thank an active duty armed forces member or silently thank those who gave their life while serving so you could use the term FREEDOM!

Freedom is a natural RIGHT, just like RTKBA, so no thanks is given......and yes, i guarantee you, if the US Govt' gives no benefits then how many new recruits would you see enlisting?

We already have this history lesson, during the Vietnam war, when low recruitments with all branch of the military, so "The Drafts" took effect.

A lesson i learned from the Olde TImer, Nothing is FREE in this world, you gotta give to get
 
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FreedomVA, Military service in this country has always been voluntary. Some just didn't know it, but benefits were always offered for volunteering. Have a read: https://www.stripes.com/news/us/the-veterans-were-desperate-gen-macarthur-ordered-us-troops-to-attack-them-1.480665

Vast tracks of land was payment to those that fought the King in the founding of this country.

Yet,— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

I suggest you reread "The Big Guy" post at #4.

If you want the true history, start here: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/
 

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So tell me what are we supposed to celebrate about?

Maybe for the Veterans that participated in WW2 and before, it was fought for defense of Country and Honor, but i see all other wars after WW2 is a joke and those wars are dishonorable wars without a good cause.
Please seek out a active duty veteran of the Hinud Kush and relate to him your disdain and disgust for his service to this great nation...
 

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Sad to see such cynicism from a younger member. I put in 21 years in the Army, but not in hopes of benefits. In fact, many of the benefits the recruiters promised were ignored by the government.

During the majority of my time in uniform, the services were a deterrent against certain countries who would dominate the rest of the world. Did that deterrent work? I think the events of November, 1989 prove that it did. For what it is worth, I was on active duty when the Berlin Wall went up and I was still on active duty when it was torn down. Nor am I ashamed to say that the tears were streaming down my face as I watched the destruction on television. Not from the destruction, but for the many, even in "peacetime", that did not come home.

My son followed my footsteps, and yes, I am very proud of him. He served 22 years, including a tour in Afghanistan. Were you to ask him, I would be more than willing to bet that his answer would have nothing to do with "benefits".

I will also tell you that service members earn everything they receive from the government. Long hours, pay not that good (I was advised to apply for food stamps at one time), medical care during active duty and after retirement sometimes very sketchy, long separations from friends and family, and I could continue with a very long litany.
 

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Sad to see such cynicism from a younger member. ... Long hours, pay not that good (I was advised to apply for food stamps at one time), medical care during active duty and after retirement sometimes very sketchy, long separations from friends and family, and I could continue with a very long litany.
Not cynicism, it is about their disdain and disgust for military folks in general.

Easy to praise the dead of the Big Wars because the few remaining veterans of those wars will not have the capacity to stand up for their long passed brothers and sisters.

Would be a wee bit tougher for disdain and disgust to be related to a grunt, face to face, fresh back from a few tours in the Kush.
The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronaldus Magnus
 

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Tis one of the greatest attributes of this country is the ability to freely speak out as well as others to address the speech.
 

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FreedomVA, you spoke of rights and civics...

Pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246 provides for the compulsory conscription of men between the ages of 17 and 45 and certain women for militia service.

Further, the draft, has been employed by the nation in five conflicts: the Revolution, Civil War, WW I & II, Korean & Vietnam conflicts. It ended upon the creation of the ALL VOLUNTARY armed services.
 

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FreedomVA, you spoke of rights and civics...

Pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246 provides for the compulsory conscription of men between the ages of 17 and 45 and certain women for militia service.


Further, the draft, has been employed by the nation in five conflicts: the Revolution, Civil War, WW I & II, Korean & Vietnam conflicts. It ended upon the creation of the ALL VOLUNTARY armed services.

Continental Congress had no conscription authority when "The Revolutionary war" took place, it was the honorable for the early settlers to fight what they believed in, even then there were coercion from the gov't for promise of FREE Western land and CASH.....

1940 (November)
  • Congress enacts the Selective Training and Service Act. All males between the ages of twenty-one and thirty-five are ordered to register for the draft and the first national lottery is held. Draftees are shipped to army induction centers in the country's first peacetime draft.
  • Later, as World War II progresses,the draft age is lowered to eighteen and men are called to service not by lottery number but by age, with the oldest going first.

Look i am not knocking on any service members that decide to join for whatever reasons when they enlisted, all i am saying is there is lack of Honor or some don't truly understand what "Honor" means anymore from our current military divisions and this will lead to nothing but bad news for the US in the future.
 

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Sad to see such cynicism from a younger member. I put in 21 years in the Army, but not in hopes of benefits. In fact, many of the benefits the recruiters promised were ignored by the government.

During the majority of my time in uniform, the services were a deterrent against certain countries who would dominate the rest of the world. Did that deterrent work? I think the events of November, 1989 prove that it did. For what it is worth, I was on active duty when the Berlin Wall went up and I was still on active duty when it was torn down. Nor am I ashamed to say that the tears were streaming down my face as I watched the destruction on television. Not from the destruction, but for the many, even in "peacetime", that did not come home.

My son followed my footsteps, and yes, I am very proud of him. He served 22 years, including a tour in Afghanistan. Were you to ask him, I would be more than willing to bet that his answer would have nothing to do with "benefits".

I will also tell you that service members earn everything they receive from the government. Long hours, pay not that good (I was advised to apply for food stamps at one time), medical care during active duty and after retirement sometimes very sketchy, long separations from friends and family, and I could continue with a very long litany.
You and others like you, maybe the exception to my opinion and i THANK YOU for your Services, sir.
 

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Please seek out a active duty veteran of the Hinud Kush and relate to him your disdain and disgust for his service to this great nation...
"Honor" is the key word, and isn't ironic that a Foreigner's will fight with more veracity and honor for this country then some or (most) of the natives of the US.

I don't have any disdain for anyone, i'm justing giving credit where credit is due
 

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Are you saying there's never been conscription in the history of the U.S. military?
Compulsory enlistment? Nope. They made you believe it was compulsory. What was compulsory was for you to appear for a physical. The medical physical determined your class. If you passed they gave you a report date. When you appeared they asked you to step forward and raise your right hand. You honored their request, surprise, you volunteered.
If it was mandatory, you could not go AWOL. The thirteenth amendment abolished involuntary servitude.
 
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