Nevada open carry reminders for the new guys

[MAC702]

... I have a few questions.
A)Is it unlawful to carry in a casino?
B)I hear bassproshops does a firearms check at the front door, what does that mean?
C)Also, am i able to carry with one in the chamber? If anyone has any experience with that, it's nice to have a few tips! Eg: comfortability of the mind, safety precautions, etc.
D) Do you guys think I'm more likely to be hassled since I'm only 18? Interesting how metro can get away with some things out here.

Here's a funny ridiculous story;
My dad and I were driving when he got pulled over for an out tail light( or some other minor infraction) and he proceeded to tell the officer that he was carrying. At which point, the officer put his hand on his gun and ordered my dad to slowly upholster his gun and give it to the officer. The officer placed it on top of the car and said it would be remained there throughout the stop for "your safety and mine" HA! I think he meant just his safety.. Lol anyway, this brings me to my next question.
D) If a LEO Decides he wants to stop me for carrying, how should I respond of he asks me to upholster and "give" him my weapon? I don't like confrontations, but I wouldn't be open carrying in the first place if I weren't ready to defend my rights. Advice?
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E) And one more thing. I was advised to carry 6 or less rounds on me total at all times because "it looks better in court" if the situation arises. Thoughts? Anyone here carry extra rounds in their pocket? I know my uncle has a S&W revolver and he Carey's six in the firearm and 6 more in his pocket.

I brought Chris' questions here so there won't be any hesitation in clogging the experiences thread with the conversation.

A. No, it is not unlawful to carry in a casino. A casino is just more likely to be a location where security or management might ask you to leave because of it. But even the ones that are known to be anti-carry will sometimes still not bother us, until they do.
B. I believe the Bass Pro policy is to only check firearms that are going to be handled in the store. I'm not there often, but have never had issues with a holstered, loaded firearm.
C. Yes, and you SHOULD carry with one in the chamber, assuming you are using a proper holster and proper safety of not handling the loaded weapon. Chambering is the most likely time to induce a malfunction, especially when done under stress. You also may not have two hands available at the moment you really need a loaded gun. The nearby state of UT does not allow it for unlicensed individuals, but you are good to go in NV and most free states.
D. Yes. It doesn't make it any more legal to hassle you, but it does make it more likely. I've been OC'ing in LV area since I was 18. How you dress and act will be a HUGE part of the experience.

The officer at your dad's traffic stop is an idiot, an A-hole, and was probably in violation of department policy. Secondly, Your dad should NOT have touched his firearm. In those situations, I will NOT handle my firearm. If he truly wants me disarmed because of his idiocy, arrogance, stupidity, and 'fraidycatness, he will have to remove it himself. Remember that the cop that told you to touch your gun is probably not going to be the one that shoots you. His partner (who wasn't paying attention until he saw you go for your gun) will. A local West Point graduate named Erik Scott (who had his gun in its holster) was killed by our police because he was given conflicting orders and obeyed the order to drop his gun, which required him to touch his gun. Comply with other orders, and do not resist, and AFTERWARD file numerous official complaints and maybe a lawsuit. The latter is the only thing that brings about change. (Aside, Erik's case was not an open carry issue) I have been disarmed before. Once was a rookie NHP Trooper who had me step out of the vehicle and put my hands over my head while he struggled with the holstered firearm. He was so distracted by it, I could have killed him, IF I HAD BEEN THE BAD GUY he wants to pretend everyone to be. Idiots.

E. You should carry fully loaded. I've never even heard of carrying fewer rounds for appearances sake. Cops carry fully loaded. We don't have a court system here that is trying to find every detail against you in a self-defense shooting. Some people even carry a reload or more. I don't, but that is not because of worrying about how it looks. Indeed, if I was a defensive lawyer, I could easily argue that carrying reloads makes it MORE likely that my client was interested in self-defense and not an assassination or crime of passion.

...the officer put his hand on his gun and ordered my dad to slowly upholster his gun...

I've seen enough movies to know this always ends poorly for the guy who got told to draw first.

 

[twoskinsonemanns]

Confirmed everything Mac says. Especially the command to handle a firearm. Nope. nope. nope. I will only draw if I am doing it to shoot someone. If I have decided to allow a cop to disarm me I will put my hands on my head and explain how I will not draw my weapon, nor will I physical resist the retard cop fumbling with my gun.

I personally chose to carry an extra magazine or two. I've never heard of getting any sort of leniency for having fewer rounds.

 

[Jeannette]

By law are we to announce a firearm?

 

[JoeSparky]

By law are we to announce a firearm?

Several States require that one with a permit to carry/conceal advise the LEO if one is carrying. I know of NO state that requires one to announce they are OPEN CARRYing!

I am willing to be corrected!

 

[Grapeshot]

By law are we to announce a firearm?

Lords and ladies - introducing for the pleasure of your company Les Baer 1911 TR Special. :lol:

OTOH - you might want to clarify, make more specific your question.....not "I have a gun!"

 

[MAC702]

By law are we to announce a firearm?

Excellent time for the reminder that NO, we are NOT required by law to inform the officer we are armed. Thanks.

Now, that said, it is up to each individual. Some swear it's a good idea. Meh. I've had it make the situation better, and I've had it make it worse. Buy your ticket (no pun intended) and take your chances.

If the registered owner of the vehicle has a CCW permit, and the cop does the second check on the individual after the vehicle registration check, they can find out and might already be expecting you to be armed anyway. It is not automatic that they do this check, though you would think that they would.

 

[MAC702]

Several States require that one with a permit to carry/conceal advise the LEO if one is carrying. I know of NO state that requires one to announce they are OPEN CARRYing!

I am willing to be corrected!

While I don't want to deviate too much from the Nevada orientation of this thread, you can look at Oklahoma as an example of a state that requires notification, including open carry.

 

[MAC702]

Lords and ladies - introducing for the pleasure of your company Les Baer 1911 TR Special. :lol:

You forgot to add "And escort!"

 

[Grapeshot]

You forgot to add "And escort!"

Single/unescorted 1911s receive more attention and have more fun

 

[qednick]

I was also curious as to why he decided to tell me AFTER I confronted HIM. Weird.
Thanks for the warm welcome to the forum! Anyway, I have a few questions.
A)Is it unlawful to carry in a casino?
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Chris I haven't OC'd in any of the casinos even though it's not illegal simply because I know they'll likely ask me to leave, at which point, if I don't leave, I'm open for getting done for trespassing. I know many in these forums have successfully carried in casinos without incident and many have also been asked to leave. Personally, when I'm in Vegas, I'm on vacation and usually with family or friends so it's just prudent in my case to not cause a scene. Everywhere else was fair game to me though and I didn't notice any second looks from one single person ever!

A lot of people have this preconceived notion that carrying in banks and casinos is illegal which is not true (at least in Nevada). I've even had gun store owners and one CHL instructor tell me it's against federal law to carry in a bank which is utter nonsense.

Anyways, to finish up the casino issue... just beware of carrying (open or concealed) into any Indian reservation casinos (or other IR properties) since they have their own rules there.

 

[MAC702]

... to finish up the casino issue... just beware of carrying (open or concealed) into any Indian reservation casinos (or other IR properties) since they have their own rules there.

To clarify, it is also NOT AGAINST THE LAW for a non-Indian to disregard their rules or Tribal laws. The Indians can trespass you from the reservation, much the same as you get trespassed from private property. New Mexico, on the other hand, is a state where is actually against state law to disobey Tribal firearms laws. Indian cops (assuming they are also state-sworn LEOs) can only enforce state laws on non-Indians.

 

[FallonJeeper]

On the lines of "carrying 6 or less rounds to "look better in court", I've also been told that if you have hollow points instead of, let's say a target round, makes it look like you're out to kill somebody and "doesn't look good in court."

I'm under the belief that if I want to carry for self defense, which is what I do, I should have defensive rounds. I don't know, call me crazy. ;o)

 

[MAC702]

On the lines of "carrying 6 or less rounds to "look better in court", I've also been told that if you have hollow points instead of, let's say a target round, makes it look like you're out to kill somebody and "doesn't look good in court."

I'm under the belief that if I want carry for self defense, which is what I do, I should have defensive rounds. I don't know, call me crazy. ;o)

If I ever heard that argument in a courtroom, it's definitely time to place a bet on which side is going to lose.

 

[FallonJeeper]

If I ever heard that argument in a courtroom, it's definitely time to place a bet on which side is going to lose.

When I was told that, I actually tilted my head and gave that "what the hell are you talking about?" look.

I was just curious if anybody on here ever heard the same thing or knows where it originated.

 

[Grapeshot]

When I was told that, I actually tilted my head and gave that "what the hell are you talking about?" look.

I was just curious if anybody on here ever heard the same thing or knows where it originated.

Stuff of which urban legends are made. We've also heard to carry what the local LEA carry......they do not carry ball ammo.

My defense will include (if necessary) testifying that I used the most effective ammo to stop the BG as efficiently as possible.

 

[OC Freedom]

When I was told that, I actually tilted my head and gave that "what the hell are you talking about?" look.

I was just curious if anybody on here ever heard the same thing or knows where it originated.

This is the first time I have heard this about factory ammo. I have been told by an attorney once, that if the ammo was reloaded then you have problems. The court may consider it premeditated since you reloaded the ammo personally.

Never gave it much thought except to use factory ammo in my daily carry pistol, just in case.

 

[FallonJeeper]

Stuff of which urban legends are made. We've also heard to carry what the local LEA carry......they do not carry ball ammo.

My defense will include (if necessary) testifying that I used the most effective ammo to stop the BG as efficiently as possible.

^^^ Absolutely ^^^

 

[FallonJeeper]

This is the first time I have heard this about factory ammo. I have been told by an attorney once, that if the ammo was reloaded then you have problems. The court may consider it premeditated since you reloaded the ammo personally.

Never gave it much thought except to use factory ammo in my daily carry pistol, just in case.

Yeah, that's on the same line. If I re-load my own ammo, it would probably be to save $.

But this is along the same line. I don't think a prosecutor would be able to make the connection between reloading your own weapon to premeditation.

 

[HPmatt]

....I've also been told that if you have hollow points instead of, let's say a target round, makes it look like you're out to kill somebody and "doesn't look good in court."

I think the opposite w/b true - target rounds are more likely to penetrate through walls and possibly injure innocents, as opposed to hollow points- if you miss the BG you intend to stop from attempting to harm you or yours.


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[DVC]

If I'm ever in a position to need to defend myself in court after defending myself on the street, my attorney will have a nice, big chart and diagrams to show why the ammo that I was carrying is the best all-around option, and improves the safety of bystanders by being the most effective available (thus doing the job with fewer rounds fired).

In other words, my defense will be to put the prosecutor on the defensive. The philosophy will be "why would any reasonable person NOT do it this way?"

The real argument against handloaded ammo is inability to replicate performance to a standard. If you carry factory ammo, it is assumed that all rounds in a particular batch will behave the same way. Your handload can't meet that standard, because by definition each round is custom manufactured.