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NRA and 2012 legislation

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Well, the NRA has finally noticed our state, and has informed us of 3 pro-gun bills in the House. In case you were wondering, none of them are related to open carry...

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The NRA didn't have a fricken thing to do with the formation, submission or promotion of these bills.
They suck creel water!
But, but the article clearly states that these are NRA-backed bills. It must be all of the good karma they are sending our way. I just find it curious that the managed to only find about 1/2 the bills that deal with firearms this year. 2 of those bills are specific to Concealed Carry endorsement holders. The 3rd makes sure we cannot sue business owners if we are disarmed and something bad happens, but it also has a weak parking lot too. Yet the NRA could only talk about the second 1/2. They seem to have overlooked the OC specific pieces of legislation this year. That's OK though, I overlooked my renewal this year, and sent a check to WMSA instead.
 

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I have said it for years and it still stands true. The NRA is not pro open carry!

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Yeah, I never knew about this until a couple of years ago. My grandpa got me a lifetime membership before he passed away, so non-renewal isn't an option for me. They still use the scare tactics for me to send them money but I wont buy into it. I don't know what a lifetime membership costs, but they got plenty of my grandpa's money over the years I'm sure.
 

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May issue of the news letter should be an interesting read regarding the 2012 legislative period.
 

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The May issue of whom's newsletter?

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Well, the NRA has finally noticed our state, and has informed us of 3 pro-gun bills in the House. In case you were wondering, none of them are related to open carry...

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Any bill having to deal with open carry, no matter who it impacts, is absolutely important as other bills may force a major change for the OC community. HB1319 actually has an amendment (posted elsewhere it was Rep. Cook on this one) that actually says that a CCW endorsement holder may "briefly and openly display a firearm" which is absolutely absurd given that it forces the two to go hand-in-hand setting CCW endorsement holders up for a potential violation of his proposed section if they remove their cover garment to open carry if they were carrying concealed to begin with. What it does not do is what was illustrated in another thread by allowing CCW endorsement holders to OC. (this heads in a bad direction as well)

It's a bad amendment to say the least.
 
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Making something legal does not automatically make the opposite of that thing illegal. Your post makes little to no sense. Can you explain a little more what your concern is?

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Making something legal does not automatically make the opposite of that thing illegal. Your post makes little to no sense. Can you explain a little more what your concern is?

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Good luck with getting a clear sensible explanation of that.
 

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I have said it for years and it still stands true. The NRA is not pro open carry!

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So, then, are you saying the are Anti OC? If so, please provide some credible evidence. Also, aside from this web forum, how many Pro 2A credible national organizations actively/openly support OC?

Just asking.
 

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So, then, are you saying the are Anti OC? If so, please provide some credible evidence. Also, aside from this web forum, how many Pro 2A credible national organizations actively/openly support OC?

Just asking.
I think a more accurate description would be that they simply ignore the subject of OC. That does not necessarily make them anti-OC.

In order to be pro-OC, you need to have done something to promote it. So, the onus would be on someone that says they are pro-OC to prove it.

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I think a more accurate description would be that they simply ignore the subject of OC. That does not necessarily make them anti-OC.

In order to be pro-OC, you need to have done something to promote it. So, the onus would be on someone that says they are pro-OC to prove it.

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Being passive is doing nothing; subsequently, giving the countering the ability to move forward without any opposition; furthermore, passiveness is now an action.

As I asked earlier, are there any major credible pro 2A organizations active in supporting OC?

OCing is a political and PR hot potato. In the day to day life, most people don't care if you OC; however, once it hits the airwaves, it is painted as the Wild Wild West days. This is a big hurdle to overcome, i.e. CCW. Politicians run, then the soccer moms come out and don't want the babies killed. That is the picture that is painted. Logically, it isn't reality; but soemtimes, perception is not reality.

I have asked the NRA-ILA to take a stance on this issue, no response. My guess is they want this to be handled at the state level and if it gains traction, then they will get on board. However, if they don't like, it could be the kiss of death.....giving light to something they would prefer to not pass. That's politics! And a p1sser!

I would encourage ALL to contact their reps (House/Senate) again to help 'encourage' their positive participation.
 

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1.Being passive is doing nothing;

2.I have asked the NRA-ILA to take a stance on this issue, no response.

3.My guess is they want this to be handled at the state level and if it gains traction, then they will get on board. However, if they don't like, it could be the kiss of death.....giving light to something they would prefer to not pass. That's politics! And a p1sser!
You might want to think about a few things in a different context sir.

1. They are NOT passive, they are very actively working in Jeff City as we type.
2. They gave you no response because they already announced it.
3. They killed it at the state level.

Now I know you may seek to take a different position, however, if you will look at the evidence, you may wish to reverse your position.

Take a close look at the DATE of the OP and the LINK included, you will find this posting started on 3-2-2012 and if you follow the link you will find a 3-2-2012 press release from the NRA speaking about the “flash bill” which HB 1369 never was a “flash bill”, however if you will bother to take a look, rep Cross entered an amendment to 1369 to convert it to a flash bill I believe that happened 3-5 or 3-6 and it was not complete until 3-7-2012.

Now perhaps some folks believe the NRA gods have ESP, but the more rational and logic based people consider the NRA announcing it 5 days in advance of it actually happening as very strong evidence that they indeed already had it in the works to be amended, once again fooling in MO politics.
 
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I am no fan of the NRA, but correlation does not imply causality. Can you show something a little more concrete?

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Can you show something a little more concrete?

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That comes post session. If I was not so damn mad about it, I would not even bother talking about it until then at all.
 

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You might want to think about a few things in a different context sir.

1. They are NOT passive, they are very actively working in Jeff City as we type.
2. They gave you no response because they already announced it.
3. They killed it at the state level.

Now I know you may seek to take a different position, however, if you will look at the evidence, you may wish to reverse your position.

Take a close look at the DATE of the OP and the LINK included, you will find this posting started on 3-2-2012 and if you follow the link you will find a 3-2-2012 press release from the NRA speaking about the “flash bill” which HB 1369 never was a “flash bill”, however if you will bother to take a look, rep Cross entered an amendment to 1369 to convert it to a flash bill I believe that happened 3-5 or 3-6 and it was not complete until 3-7-2012.

Now perhaps some folks believe the NRA gods have ESP, but the more rational and logic based people consider the NRA announcing it 5 days in advance of it actually happening as very strong evidence that they indeed already had it in the works to be amended, once again fooling in MO politics.

LMTD, I appreciate the feedback. It's good to hear they are active, I guess. :rolleyes: Why are/were they against it?

You're right....they must have ESP! :confused: My inquire to them for support was prior to their announcement.

They (NRA) seem to be back pushing the National Reciprocity Bill at the Federal level, too. A bill I have actively been against. They have received my emails on this subject too.
 
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