AWDstylez
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smoking357 wrote:
Ok, now I'm questioning how many of your previous posts were alsocomplete sarcasm.
smoking357 wrote:
Ok, now I'm questioning how many of your previous posts were alsocomplete sarcasm.
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reconvic
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AWDstylez wrote:
I also fully respect you, and your english is as good as mine, The schooling in this Country has gone downhill over the years I tip my hat to you.
S/F Vic
AWDstylez wrote:
I also fully respect you, and your english is as good as mine, The schooling in this Country has gone downhill over the years I tip my hat to you.
S/F Vic
buster81
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Chaingun81 wrote:
Chaingun81 wrote:
Have you gone through the N440 process yet?It appears they have an English Comprehension test, which appears pretty easy to pass. I was wondering what your experience was with it.
Chaingun81
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AWDstylez wrote:
Thank you!
I learned it in aregular high school in Russia, which doesn't get you anywhere close to even basic fluency level. Basic vocabluary and grammar - yes - but not fluency. Then in University I learned most of the technical terms.
I did, however, read books and watched movies in English and tried to keep it alive without much practice. Then I worked with a bunch of Europeans (non native English speakers, but we communicated in English) and I had some native English speaking friends there. I wasn't planning on moving to US - it happened kind of by accident - I was just bored and large international crowd of co-workers and friends kept me entertained.
My point though is that you don't need to get to my level of English to be able to function in life. I know several people who didn't learn English until coming to US and their English is far worse - the make numerous grammatic mistakes, vocabluary is poor, accent is thick. BUT! They all still function in English - work, go shopping, deal with customer service, buy property, etc.
The bottom line is that you REALLY don't need "para Espanol marque duo" in every customer service and store checkout machine if you speak even most basic English. All it does, is removes any incentive to learn English and assimilate which is the exact opposite to what should be encouraged to make immigrants successful.
AWDstylez wrote:
Thank you!
I learned it in aregular high school in Russia, which doesn't get you anywhere close to even basic fluency level. Basic vocabluary and grammar - yes - but not fluency. Then in University I learned most of the technical terms.
I did, however, read books and watched movies in English and tried to keep it alive without much practice. Then I worked with a bunch of Europeans (non native English speakers, but we communicated in English) and I had some native English speaking friends there. I wasn't planning on moving to US - it happened kind of by accident - I was just bored and large international crowd of co-workers and friends kept me entertained.
My point though is that you don't need to get to my level of English to be able to function in life. I know several people who didn't learn English until coming to US and their English is far worse - the make numerous grammatic mistakes, vocabluary is poor, accent is thick. BUT! They all still function in English - work, go shopping, deal with customer service, buy property, etc.
The bottom line is that you REALLY don't need "para Espanol marque duo" in every customer service and store checkout machine if you speak even most basic English. All it does, is removes any incentive to learn English and assimilate which is the exact opposite to what should be encouraged to make immigrants successful.
AWDstylez
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Chaingun81 wrote:
Chaingun81 wrote:
Exactly.
Chaingun81
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buster81 wrote:
I don't know what the requirments of this test are, but judging by level of English some people get approved with, I'm not too worried.
The application also has "affiliations" section, where I'd have to list all the pro-gun organization I'm being a member of, so I hope that theCIS/INS officer who will be reviewing my case is not some flaming anti-gunner :lol:
buster81 wrote:
Not yet. I'm still a LPR (lawful permanent resident) and will be applying for N-400 in the near future.
I don't know what the requirments of this test are, but judging by level of English some people get approved with, I'm not too worried.
The application also has "affiliations" section, where I'd have to list all the pro-gun organization I'm being a member of, so I hope that theCIS/INS officer who will be reviewing my case is not some flaming anti-gunner :lol:
reconvic
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Sorry to say in America there are many racist people and trust me I was raised in NYC , this countries melting pot. I am not one of them and wish for my Grandchildren that they would make learning a different language mandatory.
I do speak two languages myself because my parents spoke Puerto Rican, so do I. I commend you both and sorry if anyone here offends you .
S/F. Vic
Sorry to say in America there are many racist people and trust me I was raised in NYC , this countries melting pot. I am not one of them and wish for my Grandchildren that they would make learning a different language mandatory.
I do speak two languages myself because my parents spoke Puerto Rican, so do I. I commend you both and sorry if anyone here offends you .
S/F. Vic
AWDstylez
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reconvic wrote:
reconvic wrote:
It is. Try getting into any college in this country without having taken at least three years of another language in high school. Needless to say, I don't know a single person that can do more than count to ten in another language in spite of those three years, but it is required for any higher learning.
Chaingun81
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reconvic wrote:
While I appreciate your concern, I'd disagree with you a little bit. I think it's a mistake to createany kind ofspecial treatment for immigrants and/or minorities. Affirmative action is actually feeding racism and keeping it alive. Either we are equal or we are not, butyou can't have it both ways.
I've dealt with all kinds of people - some don't like Blacks, some don't like Mexicans, some don'tlikeallimmigrants, some don't likesomeone else. I couldn't care less. There are also groups I don't like - so what?I couldn't care less if someone offends me.
The only protection that minorities and immigrants (and everyone else for that matter)should have is already on the books - murder and assault against any human being is illegal. That's all there needs to be. If someone SAYS something offensive, that should be protected by the 1st. I can offend them back too :lol:
reconvic wrote:
While I appreciate your concern, I'd disagree with you a little bit. I think it's a mistake to createany kind ofspecial treatment for immigrants and/or minorities. Affirmative action is actually feeding racism and keeping it alive. Either we are equal or we are not, butyou can't have it both ways.
I've dealt with all kinds of people - some don't like Blacks, some don't like Mexicans, some don'tlikeallimmigrants, some don't likesomeone else. I couldn't care less. There are also groups I don't like - so what?I couldn't care less if someone offends me.
The only protection that minorities and immigrants (and everyone else for that matter)should have is already on the books - murder and assault against any human being is illegal. That's all there needs to be. If someone SAYS something offensive, that should be protected by the 1st. I can offend them back too :lol:
Flyer22
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AWDstylez wrote:
Huh?? How in the world do you get an anti-immigrant rant out of a question about teaching Spanish? ALL nations have at least a few foreign languages taught in school.
Learning Spanish helps a person to understand the English language better.Quite a fewwords have migrated from Spanish to English. Here's a list, if you're interested.
http://spanish.about.com/cs/historyofspanish/a/spanishloanword.htm
In addition, Spanish is a very beautiful languange, with rules of grammar that are much more logical than English.
Furthermore, you ignore the fact that we are neighbors with one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. It is both practical and friendly for some of us to learn their language.
Still further, many studies over the last 100+ years show that waves of immigration follow a very steady pattern: The immigrants themselves have great trouble learning English, and many never do. The second generation (those that are born here or are very, very young upon arrival) learn both languages. The third generation quite often learns English only. I suggest that you find a good book about the history ofimmigration--you might be surprised at how closely you are following in the footsteps of people who complained about the Irish in the 1850's, or the Chinese in the 1880's.
AWDstylez wrote:
Huh?? How in the world do you get an anti-immigrant rant out of a question about teaching Spanish? ALL nations have at least a few foreign languages taught in school.
Learning Spanish helps a person to understand the English language better.Quite a fewwords have migrated from Spanish to English. Here's a list, if you're interested.
http://spanish.about.com/cs/historyofspanish/a/spanishloanword.htm
In addition, Spanish is a very beautiful languange, with rules of grammar that are much more logical than English.
Furthermore, you ignore the fact that we are neighbors with one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. It is both practical and friendly for some of us to learn their language.
Still further, many studies over the last 100+ years show that waves of immigration follow a very steady pattern: The immigrants themselves have great trouble learning English, and many never do. The second generation (those that are born here or are very, very young upon arrival) learn both languages. The third generation quite often learns English only. I suggest that you find a good book about the history ofimmigration--you might be surprised at how closely you are following in the footsteps of people who complained about the Irish in the 1850's, or the Chinese in the 1880's.
reconvic
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As I said in a few post before I fought for freedom of speech and you are more then welcome to your opinion. Respect mine and I will respect yours. No-one can please everyone.
S/F. Vic
As I said in a few post before I fought for freedom of speech and you are more then welcome to your opinion. Respect mine and I will respect yours. No-one can please everyone.
S/F. Vic
AWDstylez
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Flyer22 wrote:
So how do you explain the third and forth generation hispanics around here that can't speak a world of english? Do you know why they can't? It's becaue they're catered to. It's because there's no need for them to learn english when menu option #2 (sometimes even #1) is always spanish, signs are written in spanish, there's always a spanish customer service person available, etc. That takes the incentive to blend into American society away entirely.
Better yet, how do you explain the fifteenth-plus generation blacks that STILL can't speak proper engrish, yo? They don't even have some other native tongue, they just don't give a damn about learning proper English.
On the other hand, we have Eastern European folks that have been here <5 years that speak very good English. What's the difference? Those people aren't catered to. There is no "press five for Polish" option.
Schoolsare in absolutely no placeto be teaching Spanish when a large portion of the population doesn't even have an elementary grasp of English.
Flyer22 wrote:
So how do you explain the third and forth generation hispanics around here that can't speak a world of english? Do you know why they can't? It's becaue they're catered to. It's because there's no need for them to learn english when menu option #2 (sometimes even #1) is always spanish, signs are written in spanish, there's always a spanish customer service person available, etc. That takes the incentive to blend into American society away entirely.
Better yet, how do you explain the fifteenth-plus generation blacks that STILL can't speak proper engrish, yo? They don't even have some other native tongue, they just don't give a damn about learning proper English.
On the other hand, we have Eastern European folks that have been here <5 years that speak very good English. What's the difference? Those people aren't catered to. There is no "press five for Polish" option.
Schoolsare in absolutely no placeto be teaching Spanish when a large portion of the population doesn't even have an elementary grasp of English.
AZkopper
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Sonora Rebel wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
Another good reason to have guns there: the place is simply crawling with orcs and goblins of the worst sort.
Chaingun81
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AWDstylez wrote:
+10000000000000000
You nailed it!
AWDstylez wrote:
+10000000000000000
You nailed it!
marshaul
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AWDstylez wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
Try reading it again. Emphasis on the "pigs".
AWDstylez
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marshaul wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Surprised I didn't catch that.
Chaingun81
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AWDstylez wrote:
Actually in my particular case, I used pigs in it's direct meaning (swine) - seemed pretty funny that way. Cannot speak for other posters though.
Now when I think about it the other way, it's pretty funny too, but that wasn't what I meant to say...
AWDstylez wrote:
Actually in my particular case, I used pigs in it's direct meaning (swine) - seemed pretty funny that way. Cannot speak for other posters though.
Now when I think about it the other way, it's pretty funny too, but that wasn't what I meant to say...
XD40coyote
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NZ has an invasive species possum problem and handgun would be great for shooting these dumb non native baby making machines. I have been told they are easily made to freeze when spotlighted at night and you can just keep shooting and shooting them.
As to wild pigs, isn't hunting them with a knife going to up your taxes to pay for the socialized ER care? Makes more since to hunt wild pigs with a good rifle or a slug gun. And hell if I'd want to be walking the back country and have a pig sneak up on me and I don't have time to put a long gun up to my shoulder as the pig lunges at me. I can be on the ground and use a handgun to take care of bacon makin. If I lived in wild hog country here in the US, I'd think nothing of carrying a higher caliber handgun when taking a nature or backwoods walk. Same goes for bear country and mt lions. Heck even where I am, sometimes a rutting whitetail buck will lose his fear and threaten people. My mother had one that kept snorting at her last november. She thought it was our 1 dog who makes snorting pig likesounds alot, but it turns out he had gone back to the garage leaving mom alone in the garden with a rutting buck somewhere nearby. No doubt he smelled the does that are always down the hill. My mother also had a similar thing happen involving a groundhog, it wanted to pass, but mom was in the way, so it kept clicking its teeth until it got the courage to barrel past her.
Which brings me to another concern... rabid animals- and groundhogs are one of the more major vectors, behind bats, skunks, foxes, and raccoons. We also have alot of red foxes. This region has alot of rabid animals year after year. Mom won't go for the gardeing with a gun thing though.
NZ has an invasive species possum problem and handgun would be great for shooting these dumb non native baby making machines. I have been told they are easily made to freeze when spotlighted at night and you can just keep shooting and shooting them.
As to wild pigs, isn't hunting them with a knife going to up your taxes to pay for the socialized ER care? Makes more since to hunt wild pigs with a good rifle or a slug gun. And hell if I'd want to be walking the back country and have a pig sneak up on me and I don't have time to put a long gun up to my shoulder as the pig lunges at me. I can be on the ground and use a handgun to take care of bacon makin. If I lived in wild hog country here in the US, I'd think nothing of carrying a higher caliber handgun when taking a nature or backwoods walk. Same goes for bear country and mt lions. Heck even where I am, sometimes a rutting whitetail buck will lose his fear and threaten people. My mother had one that kept snorting at her last november. She thought it was our 1 dog who makes snorting pig likesounds alot, but it turns out he had gone back to the garage leaving mom alone in the garden with a rutting buck somewhere nearby. No doubt he smelled the does that are always down the hill. My mother also had a similar thing happen involving a groundhog, it wanted to pass, but mom was in the way, so it kept clicking its teeth until it got the courage to barrel past her.
Which brings me to another concern... rabid animals- and groundhogs are one of the more major vectors, behind bats, skunks, foxes, and raccoons. We also have alot of red foxes. This region has alot of rabid animals year after year. Mom won't go for the gardeing with a gun thing though.
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Barnett3006 wrote:
Now I am figuring out that you are not ex military because of your belief that you can take on your military using only infantry weapons.
A few nasty facts for you, the military does not fight fair, they tend to swamp an area with artillery fire before sending any infantry in.
Do you really believe that you have had the training of the average grunt in infantry weapons ?
Dropped twenty rounds a minute down a 81 mm tube, or a 60 mm tube ?
Been trained in the use of the of what we call the GPMG and what you call the 240 ?
I suggest you learn to use a spade to dig slit trenches, you will need them.
Oh a long range sniper rifle, my dear boy the 30-06 round came out with the spitzer bullet in 1906, I would suggest something a touch more modern.
Such as a Sako rifle in Lapua 338, yes I know it was not developed in the USA but it is a rather useful cartridge.
Barnett3006 wrote:
Attractive lass your sister.nzrugby wrote:This is a pic of my little sister.
That Mini-14 "Assault Rifle" took that deer just fine...as a matter of fact, the meat tasted just as good as the meat I got from this deer.
Thats a super evil long range sniper 30-06 with a super duper sniper scope and a evil sniper stabilizing bipod if your wondering...
I don't "believe that we should", I Know that I have the right to own and use the weapons necessary to protect myself, my family, my home, my state and my country from all the enemies of freedom foreign and domestic. The primary reason the Founding Fathers of this country included the right to bear arms in our Bill of Rights was so that the people would have the means to overthrow a tyrannical government; therefore, the Second Amendment protects my right to own firearms that are equal to those used by the average infantrymen.
Now I am figuring out that you are not ex military because of your belief that you can take on your military using only infantry weapons.
A few nasty facts for you, the military does not fight fair, they tend to swamp an area with artillery fire before sending any infantry in.
Do you really believe that you have had the training of the average grunt in infantry weapons ?
Dropped twenty rounds a minute down a 81 mm tube, or a 60 mm tube ?
Been trained in the use of the of what we call the GPMG and what you call the 240 ?
I suggest you learn to use a spade to dig slit trenches, you will need them.
Oh a long range sniper rifle, my dear boy the 30-06 round came out with the spitzer bullet in 1906, I would suggest something a touch more modern.
Such as a Sako rifle in Lapua 338, yes I know it was not developed in the USA but it is a rather useful cartridge.