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Second Amendment Sanctuary Movement Spreads To Kentucky

Bill Starks

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Legally it has no bearing but if enough counties pass such an ordinance it shows the elected reps where we stand on firearms.
Hardan county was the first. My county (Hopkins) will be voting on it Jan 21st.
Myself and 2 others sat down with the Judge Executive and the Sheriff to discuss the resolution and as of today (12/20)all the Magistrates had a copy of the resolution and things look very good to get it passed.
 

Ghost1958

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gutshot II

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I have some reservations about this type of action by a Ky. city or county. The order needs to be carefully drafted to avoid a conflict with our preemption statute. Remember, KRS 65.870 prohibits a city or county from having ANY policy, rule, regulation etc. concerning firearms. This means any pro-gun policy as well as anti-gun policy. The number of places that claim to not understand KRS 65.870 makes me want to look at these very carefully. If the declaration is careful to avoid any specific policy it could avoid this conflict. I was recently sent one of these to review and it was fine but I am concerned that others will not be as carefully drafted as this one I saw. The first thing I'd like to see is the counties that ajoin Jefferson and Fayette Cos. pass
one and surround those Cos. with them.
 

color of law

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KRS 65.870
No existing or future XYZ may occupy any part of the field of regulation of the:
  1. manufacture
  2. sale
  3. purchase
  4. taxation
  5. transfer
  6. ownership
  7. possession
  8. carrying
  9. storage
  10. transportation of firearms
  11. ammunition
  12. components of firearms
  13. components of ammunition
  14. firearms accessories
  15. or combination thereof.
Any resolution stating that “IT” will support and defend the Second Amendment from any attack from without and/or within their city/county, and any attack of the Second Amendment by any government “person” being a breach of their sworn oath will be held accountable, would not violate KRS 65.870.
 

gutshot II

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KRS 65.870
No existing or future XYZ may occupy any part of the field of regulation of the:
  1. manufacture
  2. sale
  3. purchase
  4. taxation
  5. transfer
  6. ownership
  7. possession
  8. carrying
  9. storage
  10. transportation of firearms
  11. ammunition
  12. components of firearms
  13. components of ammunition
  14. firearms accessories
  15. or combination thereof.
Any resolution stating that “IT” will support and defend the Second Amendment from any attack from without and/or within their city/county, and any attack of the Second Amendment by any government “person” being a breach of their sworn oath will be held accountable, would not violate KRS 65.870.
Yes, that is what it says and if a city or county is careful to not do that their resolution will be fine. My concern is with city and county officials whose reading and writing skills are not of the high quality as the ones that you possess.
 

Ghost1958

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KRS 65.870
No existing or future XYZ may occupy any part of the field of regulation of the:
  1. manufacture
  2. sale
  3. purchase
  4. taxation
  5. transfer
  6. ownership
  7. possession
  8. carrying
  9. storage
  10. transportation of firearms
  11. ammunition
  12. components of firearms
  13. components of ammunition
  14. firearms accessories
  15. or combination thereof.
Any resolution stating that “IT” will support and defend the Second Amendment from any attack from without and/or within their city/county, and any attack of the Second Amendment by any government “person” being a breach of their sworn oath will be held accountable, would not violate KRS 65.870.
Bingo.
 

gutshot II

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I am still trying to get my head around this idea. Can somebody explain, one more time, why we need a piece of paper that says we won't allow any violation of the 2nd Amendment when we already have a piece of paper that says that the 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed? If one piece of paper is not good enough, will two pieces of paper be any better? How long will it be before somebody wants a third piece of paper? If a pubic official does not respect the state and federal Constitutions or his oath of office, is he going to be detered by this COUNTY resolution? Doesn't the fact that we want and/or need a document that supports and enhances the Constitution suggest that the Constitution is unable to stand and work on its own? It is not that I am opposed to this idea, it is just that I can't see that it does anything better than what we already have. If people want this, it is OK with me. I just think it will not be very useful, but we can file it with all the other useless county documents and clap one another on the back and tell each other that we did a good job. "We really showed those gun grabbers this time."

If we really wanted to put an end to this kind of activity wouldn't it be better to add some serious criminal and civil penalties to KRS 65.870 and add some STATE laws to limit the actions of STATE officials?
 

solus

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i was under the impression, from other threads and a variety of member's posts this type of legislative activity couldn't/wouldn't/might not ever in a million/trillion years be passed especially cuz our friends in the legislature wouldn'/couldn't ever do this to the state's citizens!
 

color of law

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I am still trying to get my head around this idea. Can somebody explain, one more time, why we need a piece of paper that says we won't allow any violation of the 2nd Amendment when we already have a piece of paper that says that the 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed? If one piece of paper is not good enough, will two pieces of paper be any better? How long will it be before somebody wants a third piece of paper? If a pubic official does not respect the state and federal Constitutions or his oath of office, is he going to be detered by this COUNTY resolution? Doesn't the fact that we want and/or need a document that supports and enhances the Constitution suggest that the Constitution is unable to stand and work on its own? It is not that I am opposed to this idea, it is just that I can't see that it does anything better than what we already have. If people want this, it is OK with me. I just think it will not be very useful, but we can file it with all the other useless county documents and clap one another on the back and tell each other that we did a good job. "We really showed those gun grabbers this time."

If we really wanted to put an end to this kind of activity wouldn't it be better to add some serious criminal and civil penalties to KRS 65.870 and add some STATE laws to limit the actions of STATE officials?
It is not the piece of paper. It is the message the piece of paper sends, notice. In this country we have attempted to substitute the courts for war. The true fact is that there is no substitution for war. Court just gives the appearance that a dispute was settled when, in fact, the dispute was not necessarily settled. It more than likely just delayed the inevitable. If paper was so powerful King George III would have honored the Declaration of Independence. He didn't, we fought a war over it. Yes, the Declaration of Independence was a piece of paper, but it was the notice sent short of war. Or, by the Kings choice, it was a declaration of war.

Look at the Sanctuary movement as the peasants' protest. And in this case the peasants have more weapons than the King. The question is, does the King honor the Notice?
 

gutshot II

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It is not the piece of paper. It is the message the piece of paper sends, notice. In this country we have attempted to substitute the courts for war. The true fact is that there is no substitution for war. Court just gives the appearance that a dispute was settled when, in fact, the dispute was not necessarily settled. It more than likely just delayed the inevitable. If paper was so powerful King George III would have honored the Declaration of Independence. He didn't, we fought a war over it. Yes, the Declaration of Independence was a piece of paper, but it was the notice sent short of war. Or, by the Kings choice, it was a declaration of war.

Look at the Sanctuary movement as the peasants' protest. And in this case the peasants have more weapons than the King. The question is, does the King honor the Notice?
It is not the piece of paper. It is the message the piece of paper sends, notice. In this country we have attempted to substitute the courts for war. The true fact is that there is no substitution for war. Court just gives the appearance that a dispute was settled when, in fact, the dispute was not necessarily settled. It more than likely just delayed the inevitable. If paper was so powerful King George III would have honored the Declaration of Independence. He didn't, we fought a war over it. Yes, the Declaration of Independence was a piece of paper, but it was the notice sent short of war. Or, by the Kings choice, it was a declaration of war.

Look at the Sanctuary movement as the peasants' protest. And in this case the peasants have more weapons than the King. The question is, does the King honor the Notice?
OK, but notice of what?
 

Ghost1958

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When the majority of counties in a state take the 2a sanctuary stand it
1 sends a strong message to the elected tyrants that now in this time not over 2 centuries ago, their tyrannical efforts will not be tolerated, nor complied with.
2. Their political days are numbered
 

Ghost1958

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i was under the impression, from other threads and a variety of member's posts this type of legislative activity couldn't/wouldn't/might not ever in a million/trillion years be passed especially cuz our friends in the legislature wouldn'/couldn't ever do this to the state's citizens!
The proposed anti gun Bill's here have no chance of passing in ky.
That's simply a fact.
There are always a few idiots like Hornblower, and the clown in Lexington that propose an anti gun bill for political posturing to small angry mums, knowing darn well they will never see the light of day.

Nothing new about it.
 

Chief Ten Beers

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The proposed anti gun Bill's here have no chance of passing in ky.
That's simply a fact.
There are always a few idiots like Hornblower, and the clown in Lexington that propose an anti gun bill for political posturing to small angry mums, knowing darn well they will never see the light of day.

Nothing new about it.

BR 187: Deadly weapons, concealed carry without license, repeal
1. The repeal of Constitutional Carry throughout the state of Kentucky.
 

solus

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previously provided Gunrightswatch cite:

there is nobody acting preemptively...
quote:
Kentucky gun owners have gotten busy in recent weeks preparing a slew of responsive Second Amendment Sanctuary resolutions aimed at preventing the erosion of their carry rights. unquote

so in the great state of KY, gun owners prepare resolutions? really...

quote:
Some Republican State Representatives have taken it upon themselves to reassure the people of Kentucky that these bills will never pass, but as we've seen in the past, these reassurances often simply lead to complacency by the voters. unquote

Says it all..

ONE country has passed,
12 Having a Hearing or Confirmed To Be Voting Soon;
108 counties nada!!


Ya I personally would be truly concerned...
 

Ghost1958

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previously provided Gunrightswatch cite:

there is nobody acting preemptively...
quote:
Kentucky gun owners have gotten busy in recent weeks preparing a slew of responsive Second Amendment Sanctuary resolutions aimed at preventing the erosion of their carry rights. unquote

so in the great state of KY, gun owners prepare resolutions? really...

quote:
Some Republican State Representatives have taken it upon themselves to reassure the people of Kentucky that these bills will never pass, but as we've seen in the past, these reassurances often simply lead to complacency by the voters. unquote

Says it all..

ONE country has passed,
12 Having a Hearing or Confirmed To Be Voting Soon;
108 counties nada!!


Ya I personally would be truly concerned...
Though I like seeing the push for 2A sanctuary counties, the legislature here already knows what will happen should they pass any such laws. With or without " sanctuary counties."

Call and write your reps. Those proposed Bill's are doomed to never get out of committe . Much less get a vote.
 

Ghost1958

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The Attorney General is wrong.

The counties have every authority to nullify state and federal gun laws.

Its called the 2A , binding on the fed and states and the law of the land.
 
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