Support H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011

[Redbaron007]

Those bastards stole one of my points, that this legislation is no more subject to amendments than any other piece.

Seriously though, where has the NRA gone wrong, and why?

I'm not sure they have gone wrong; but may be more politically motivated regarding this bill. It may be
they think it is good window dressing, but have dug their heels in and can't retreat. Not sure we will everknow.

It could be this bill passes and for the next twenty years there are no issues.

 

[92FS]

H.r.822 info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDorLk3d-ds some more info for you

 

[Redbaron007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDorLk3d-ds some more info for you

Nothing new. Same ole talking points. By their reasoning, the Feds can do anything under the 14th amendment by alleging interstate commerce. Again, where does it stop?

How many want Obamacare? It is being pushed through under the 14th A.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

I like HB 822. Here's why: many states such as MD, NJ, NY etc are zip to none 'May Issue' states with various 2A lawsuits stuck in the courts 'forever'. National reciprocity will immediately guarantee such residents of those states denied permits for spurious reasons such as 'show cause' could obtain Non-resident permits or use those they may have. regardless of residence. Such states would be forced to honor the state issuing the permit, regardless of the bearer's address.

I do not agree with the contrivance of permit for a fee in the free exercise of an enumerated right... I do not agree with CCW 'only' but reality dictates otherwise. I think the sponsor of this bill had the same idea in mind when he wrote it.

 

[Wc]

Reborn?

Nothing new. Same ole talking points. By their reasoning, the Feds can do anything under the 14th amendment by alleging interstate commerce. Again, where does it stop?

How many want Obamacare? It is being pushed through under the 14th A.

Please defining Obamacare?

Overall, aren't you an anti-Feds and/or you wanting to disregarding of the 14th Amendment?

And you wanting to let's the States to handles it without U.S. Constitution?

Is seems to be that you are being reborn from the Civil War.

FORUM RULES:

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

(15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.

 

[since9]

This just gets butter and butter.

Pass the popcorn. Salt too, please.

 

[Wc]

This just gets butter and butter.

Pass the popcorn. Salt too, please.

 

[mrjam2jab]

I like HB 822. Here's why: many states such as MD, NJ, NY etc are zip to none 'May Issue' states with various 2A lawsuits stuck in the courts 'forever'. National reciprocity will immediately guarantee such residents of those states denied permits for spurious reasons such as 'show cause' could obtain Non-resident permits or use those they may have. regardless of residence. Such states would be forced to honor the state issuing the permit, regardless of the bearer's address.

Please read the bill. A MD (NJ, NY etc) resident can NOT use a non-resident permit to carry in their home state.

`(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--

 

[Sonora Rebel]

Please read the bill. A MD (NJ, NY etc) resident can NOT use a non-resident permit to carry in their home state.

May issue is 'issue'... however limited. The 2A does not stop at the state border. MD (forinstance) does not currently honor any other states CCW/CWP. MD issues an LCH, (License to carry a handgun). There's no restriction caveate on mode of carry (with that)altho most 'assume' it's concealed only. Under 14A, all citizens have equal protection. To recognize a Virginian or Pennsylvanian to carry in Maryland with ohhh... a Utah non-res permit where it's own citizens could not, would hardly be legit.

 

[xd shooter]

Sonora Rebel,

Originally Posted by mrjam2jab

Please read the bill. A MD (NJ, NY etc) resident can NOT use a non-resident permit to carry in their home state.

May issue is 'issue'... however limited. The 2A does not stop at the state border. MD (forinstance) does not currently honor any other states CCW/CWP. MD issues an LCH, (License to carry a handgun). There's no restriction caveate on mode of carry (with that)altho most 'assume' it's concealed only. Under 14A, all citizens have equal protection. To recognize a Virginian or Pennsylvanian to carry in Maryland with ohhh... a Utah non-res permit where it's own citizens could not, would hardly be legit.

But you DO understand that THIS bill, HR 822, does NOT do that. Therefore it should NOT Have your support.

Yes, "I" could carry there, with my MI CPL under this bill, but it would NOT make it any easier for a MD resident to obtain a CPL. Seems quite a bit unfair to the residents of MD, and another reason why this bill should fail.

 

[Redbaron007]

Please defining Obamacare?

Overall, aren't you an anti-Feds and/or you wanting to disregarding of the 14th Amendment?

And you wanting to let's the States to handles it without U.S. Constitution?

Is seems to be that you are being reborn from the Civil War.

FORUM RULES:

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

(15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.

There isn't enough space to cite Obamacare. :shocker:

Please do me a favor, and prolly everyone else, and use a different translator for your conversation. You're making no sense. :banghead:

 

[Aknazer]

Sonora Rebel,



But you DO understand that THIS bill, HR 822, does NOT do that. Therefore it should NOT Have your support.

Yes, "I" could carry there, with my MI CPL under this bill, but it would NOT make it any easier for a MD resident to obtain a CPL. Seems quite a bit unfair to the residents of MD, and another reason why this bill should fail.

Actually it would be easier for them to get a CCW permit as plenty of states issue non-resident which would then be honored in their home state.

The bigger concern would be this bill causing "may issue" states to repeal their licences so that no one may carry in their state.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

Sonora Rebel,



But you DO understand that THIS bill, HR 822, does NOT do that. Therefore it should NOT Have your support.

Yes, "I" could carry there, with my MI CPL under this bill, but it would NOT make it any easier for a MD resident to obtain a CPL. Seems quite a bit unfair to the residents of MD, and another reason why this bill should fail.

Under the 14A... it'd be state to state equally. Or... MD would just clam up and deny the 2A altogether... which could spark a civil revolution. : ) Please don't presume to tell me where my support should be.

 

[mrjam2jab]

Actually it would be easier for them to get a CCW permit as plenty of states issue non-resident which would then be honored in their home state.

The bigger concern would be this bill causing "may issue" states to repeal their licences so that no one may carry in their state.

Non-res permits would not honored in one's home state.

 

[okboomer]

Actually it would be easier for them to get a CCW permit as plenty of states issue non-resident which would then be honored in their home state.

The bigger concern would be this bill causing "may issue" states to repeal their licences so that no one may carry in their state.

As I understand it, a resident of MD could get a non-resident CCW from (say, Utah) and then try to carry in MD under that license. MD will have no Fed requirement to honor the out-of-state permit of one of it's own residents'.

 

[Wc]

There isn't enough space to cite Obamacare. :shocker:

Please do me a favor, and prolly everyone else, and use a different translator for your conversation. You're making no sense. :banghead:

Obamacare got nothings to do with firearms problem.

Definition of Obamacare:

"The universal healthcare program in the United States proposed by the Obama administration. Often used pejoratively."


#15, Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here.

 

[Redbaron007]

Obamacare got nothings to do with firearms problem.

Definition of Obamacare:

"The universal healthcare program in the United States proposed by the Obama administration. Often used pejoratively."


#15, Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here.

Change translators....again, you makey no sense.

Review Obamacare and how it is routed through the 14th amendment. :banghead:

 

[xd shooter]

Aknazer and Sonora Rebel,

Apparently you are not READING the words in this bill.

`(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--

This means that if you do not have a license from YOUR state, then YOU cannot carry in YOUR state. A non-resident permit from another state WILL allow you to carry in OTHER states, but NOT YOURS!

It also does NOT turn your state into a "shall issue" state, nothing in this bill even addresses that.

My last attempt to help you understand. If you want to leave your head in the sand, then I wish you luck carrying a concealed weapon in MD without a MD license as a resident of MD.

Of course since neither are residents of MD, then this doesn't apply to you!!

 

[Redbaron007]

Aknazer and Sonora Rebel,

Apparently you are not READING the words in this bill.



This means that if you do not have a license from YOUR state, then YOU cannot carry in YOUR state. A non-resident permit from another state WILL allow you to carry in OTHER states, but NOT YOURS!

It also does NOT turn your state into a "shall issue" state, nothing in this bill even addresses that.

My last attempt to help you understand. If you want to leave your head in the sand, then I wish you luck carrying a concealed weapon in MD without a MD license as a resident of MD.

Of course since neither are residents of MD, then this doesn't apply to you!!

Good info!

Thanks xd!

 

[since9]

So, change the bill. Make it so that anyone with a CWP/CHP/CCW from any state is granted reciprocity in all states.

^^^ Simple.

Why are the bill-writers making this overly-complex, again? Are they afraid that if they allow things to be represented as simple as they are then somehow their jobs may become non-essential?

Hmm...