the pepper spray thread....

[RunninNGunnin]

Way to welcome a new person with possibly a legitimate question.
Is there a NV local moderator?
Why is it that when a person in the NV section asks a question regarding local laws or restrictions all the replies are from:

WalkingWolf - North Carolina

JoeSparky - Pleasant Grove, Utah

gutshot II - Central Ky.

Grapeshot -Moderator / Administrator - North Chesterfield, Va.

countryclubjoe - nj

MamaLiberty - Newcastle, Wyoming,

utbagpiper - Utah

solus - here nc

Not one response from anyone actually in NV. I didn't reply because I don't know.

The thread goes on a tangent and then gets locked.

It's a wonder that new people even get an answer or decide to even stay.

At this point I don't know if being here actually has any benefits...:banghead:

 

[CowboyKen]

I believe this is all that there is in the NRS:

NRS 202.375  Applicability of NRS 202.370 to 202.440, inclusive, to small weapons containing “CS” tear gas and to certain law enforcement, correctional and military personnel.
1.  The provisions of NRS 202.370 to 202.440, inclusive, do not apply to the sale or purchase by any adult, or the possession or use by any person, including a minor but not including a convicted person as defined in NRS 179C.010, of any form of:
(a) Cartridge which contains not more than 2 fluid ounces in volume of “CS” tear gas that may be propelled by air or another gas, but not an explosive, in the form of an aerosol spray; or
(b) Weapon designed for the use of such a cartridge which does not exceed that size,
and which is designed and intended for use as an instrument of self-defense.
2.  A seller, before delivering to a purchaser a cartridge or weapon which may be sold pursuant to subsection 1, must record and maintain for not less than 2 years the name and address of the purchaser and the brand name, model number or type, and serial number if there is one, of the weapon or cartridge, or both.
3.  The provisions of NRS 202.370 to 202.440, inclusive, do not prohibit police departments or regular salaried peace officers thereof, sheriffs and their regular salaried deputies, the Director, deputy director and superintendents of, and guards employed by, the Department of Corrections, personnel of the Nevada Highway Patrol or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States from purchasing, possessing or transporting any shells, cartridges, bombs or weapons for official use in the discharge of their duties.
4.  As used in this section, “CS” tear gas means a crystalline powder containing ortho-chlorobenzalmalononitrile.
(Added to NRS by 1981, 2050; A 2001 Special Session, 232)

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec375

Ken

 

[solus]

Way to welcome a new person with possibly a legitimate question.
Is there a NV local moderator?
Why is it that when a person in the NV section asks a question regarding local laws or restrictions all the replies are from:

WalkingWolf - North Carolina

JoeSparky - Pleasant Grove, Utah

gutshot II - Central Ky.

Grapeshot -Moderator / Administrator - North Chesterfield, Va.

countryclubjoe - nj

MamaLiberty - Newcastle, Wyoming,

utbagpiper - Utah

solus - here nc

Not one response from anyone actually in NV. I didn't reply because I don't know.

The thread goes on a tangent and then gets locked.

It's a wonder that new people even get an answer or decide to even stay.

At this point I don't know if being here actually has any benefits...:banghead:

since i am called out, I can't speak why members from NV contingency didn't speak up, but perhaps it was it was cuz they didn't know the answer either.

i do know the members you mentioned at least stepped out and while not as you might of appreciated, you didn't even offer a hello and state you do not know a thing about which pepper spray is best to fend off those who can't take a hint or as use of the NL spray as applied to NV statutes but you could have!

now to whom is your gripe directed, the NV contingency, yourself for not stepping up, or the other member's who took over the slack or little column a, b, c?

thanks ken for providing insight to NL defensive spray statutes.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Any member in good standing can post in any thread, let's get that out of the way.

Now to the new poster that threw a vary vague question, with little to no information that would seem to be asking a gun site if it is OK to pepper spray someone when not justified. There are no rules here against stating that use is to defend someone from a threat. But what might seem like an unwanted advance can be anything from hello, to outright attack. IMO, it seemed like another post by a anti to illicit a response that would make gun owners look bad. Like suggesting getting a gun for 'unwanted advances'.

If a person is not a troll they will stand their ground, and provide proper explanation, not gotcha questions.

 

[CowboyKen]

since i am called out, I can't speak why members from NV contingency didn't speak up, but perhaps it was it was cuz they didn't know the answer either.

i do know the members you mentioned at least stepped out and while not as you might of appreciated, you didn't even offer a hello and state you do not know a thing about which pepper spray is best to fend off those who can't take a hint or as use of the NL spray as applied to NV statutes but you could have!

now to whom is your gripe directed, the NV contingency, yourself for not stepping up, or the other member's who took over the slack or little column a, b, c?

thanks ken for providing insight to NL defensive spray statutes.

I didn't respond to the other thread because I didn't see it until it was well into the ******* contest and try not to get involved in those.

I do wonder why some folks, who are not from Nevada and seemingly no nothing about Nevada law or the open carry situation in Nevada, frequently post on this part of the board and do get involve in and/or start such nonsense.

Ken

 

[RunninNGunnin]

since i am called out, I can't speak why members from NV contingency didn't speak up, but perhaps it was it was cuz they didn't know the answer either.

i do know the members you mentioned at least stepped out and while not as you might of appreciated, you didn't even offer a hello and state you do not know a thing about which pepper spray is best to fend off those who can't take a hint or as use of the NL spray as applied to NV statutes but you could have!

now to whom is your gripe directed, the NV contingency, yourself for not stepping up, or the other member's who took over the slack or little column a, b, c?

thanks ken for providing insight to NL defensive spray statutes.

Not calling anyone out. Simply stating facts. I didn't respond at all due to the fact it was off track by the 3rd response, post #4.

Recommending a lawyer is always sound advice but not always practical and is a blanket response to just about any question asked.

 

[MAC702]

Way to welcome a new person with possibly a legitimate question.
Is there a NV local moderator?
Why is it that when a person in the NV section asks a question regarding local laws or restrictions all the replies are from:

...

Not one response from anyone actually in NV. I didn't reply because I don't know.

The thread goes on a tangent and then gets locked.

It's a wonder that new people even get an answer or decide to even stay.

At this point I don't know if being here actually has any benefits...:banghead:

It doesn't. That's why I left. I made a special effort this evening to check up on the place, and well, yep; I've been vindicated.

I teach NV self-defense laws as part of my living. I also made efforts to correct the wrong legal notices on the various state info pages of this website, to no avail.

Helping a few people ALMOST made it worth it to deal with the jerks around here.

 

[solus]

28kfps: you are absolutely right, but getting correct, unbiased, unemotional information is from this member's perspective an important attribute of this site, especially since the site is a public forum where misinformation put on this site by those who have not done due diligence, read by visitors and members alike, taken as gospel by these gentle souls, can and could lead to someone having an issue w/the nice LEs while carrying.

take for example the unflattering commentary by the Daily KOS from June 2014 concerning the LV Open Carry CiCi pizza gathering, one I believe you are intimately familiar with... Pistols and Pizza.

one member posted on this very public forum, quote: you didn't hear anything on the news about a shoot out at the CiCis Corral. Haha. unquote.

Eight days later two armed individuals assassinated two LEs in another nearby CiCis!

BTW, 28KFPS, byline was also specifically mentioned, quote No robberies, shooting, or arguments over parking while we were there. The children were safe and no animals were hurt." unquote

the article also has photos of both member's OCDO postings!

I could not stomach the first few comments so i did not read the remainder.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ci-s-Pizza-In-Las-Vegas-Not-the-one-you-think

perfect, no, correct, firearm information we post should be absolutely correct as we can make through discussion.

finally, to make insinuating remarks with absolutely no objective evidence is the worst kind of emotional bias i can think of. 28kfps, would you get away with that kind of allegation against a moderator on Nevada shooters?

 

[Vegassteve]

You go back 5 or more years and this sight was very active with NVers. The Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot ran many off. Solus always ready to pounce on anything he finds that does not fit within his perfect way of thinking.
It appeared that many of the confrontations were to support their need to be a pompous ass. I will say JoeSparky is up on the NV laws OCs in Nv often. One of the best go to person was MAC702. I do refer newbes to this sight because of the value and history of years past posting on NV OCing back when this was the go to OC sight.

All of the above. Like Mac I hadnt checked the forum for awhile either. What a mess this place is. Probably why many of us moved on to a actual local NV moderated forum plus the local FB groups. This forum once was a grand place to come together and understand our current state and local issues in NV. That time has passed.

 

[OC for ME]

I believe this is all that there is in the NRS: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec375

Ken

Interesting.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/cs.htm

The answer? "Pepper spray" is perfectly legal if CS gas is as close as the NRS comes to chemical irritants being used as a self defense tool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsaicin

In this particular case a lawyer seems to be the only recourse to address the underlying issue.

 

[solus]

yes, like the betamax or VHS moving to Laser disk to CD; similarly LP 78's going to 45s, to CDs to electronic ITunes; print newspapers going to internet; books transferring to e-books; BBs moved to forum formats, then FB provided a 'better' format (sidebar, not sure with the Big Brother overseer 'better' is a viable choice of words; ad nauseam ~ things change!

members unequivocally state this forum was a kinder gentler forum in the past, yet when you go back and look at the forum's history base, guess what ~ you had the same type of individuals posting BS commentary ensuing with the same fights with others where, in some cases, heavy handed 'state' moderators who, based on personal knowledge or ?, would automatically ban folk for comments the moderator didn't believe fit their believe system. MI, WI, and VA and several others.

NV members, you are right, you currently have a viable forum in NV shooters, i am a member and have personally read where an individual posted their tale of police interaction, at the suggestion of NV OCDO member BTW, from Shooters to this forum. results...folk on this forum, from across the country, and the members of shooters stated basically the same things, 1) you should report it to the IA. 2) you had your rights violated. 3) why did you allow them to do that. 4) they can't do that.

personally, i do not care if you huddle on your exclusive state forum, been crusin' the forum's byways for over a year now, and you know what...do not see anything different from out here, members call each other and the material they post out.

as for FB...do not play in that playground, but from what i hear and read...it is not as friendly as some portray.

for individuals who have shown their propensity to post knowledgeable material, MAC702 especially, I am personally disappointed as your commentary across the various states threads you have posted in was exemplary, quite informational and accurate above reproach, please reconsider your decision about this forum.

as for meeting folk, i have, while OC'g to the extent allowed by statute or CC'd, wandering the majority of the states by motorcycle, motor vehicle, by aeroplane, oh even broke bread with JoeSparky in VA, so it is a small community who has changed and hopefully will continue to change the general public's concept of OC across this country ~ do you get that kinda coverage out of NV shooter?

as stated things change, and for some reason folk remember the past a gentler when in fact it wasn't!

 

[WalkingWolf]

Does NV have antifa, and do they have pepper spray? What is an unwanted advance? Wearing a trump shirt?

Pepper spray, sign poles have been the weapon of choice for antifa, and they most certainly consider anybody not antifa unwanted. The post on the now locked thread was vague, and clearly smelled, doesn't matter which state it was posted in.

But it is rather silly to only come around to complain. If your going to complain make over something that is worth complaining over.

"Some of the best information on the harms of OC comes from the ACLU. In their original report, "Pepper Spray Update: More Fatalities, More Questions” the ACLU found 26 deaths after OC spraying in just a two year period—one death per 600 times police used spray. They noted that death was more likely if the victim was also restrained. (The cause of death was not firmly linked to the OC and some of the victims had been using other drugs as well)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judyst...-health-hazards-of-pepper-spray/#dd9693129794

We should/must be very careful in giving advice about any defense that can be lethal. Pepper spray is less lethal, not non lethal. IMO pepper spray is a good tool to have for self defense, but that defense HAS to be justified, not some bovine scat.

 

[28kfps]

28kfps: you are absolutely right, but getting correct, unbiased, unemotional information is from this member's perspective an important attribute of this site, especially since the site is a public forum where misinformation put on this site by those who have not done due diligence, read by visitors and members alike, taken as gospel by these gentle souls, can and could lead to someone having an issue w/the nice LEs while carrying.

take for example the unflattering commentary by the Daily KOS from June 2014 concerning the LV Open Carry CiCi pizza gathering, one I believe you are intimately familiar with... Pistols and Pizza.

one member posted on this very public forum, quote: you didn't hear anything on the news about a shoot out at the CiCis Corral. Haha. unquote.

Eight days later two armed individuals assassinated two LEs in another nearby CiCis!

BTW, 28KFPS, byline was also specifically mentioned, quote No robberies, shooting, or arguments over parking while we were there. The children were safe and no animals were hurt." unquote

the article also has photos of both member's OCDO postings!

I could not stomach the first few comments so i did not read the remainder.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ci-s-Pizza-In-Las-Vegas-Not-the-one-you-think

perfect, no, correct, firearm information we post should be absolutely correct as we can make through discussion.

finally, to make insinuating remarks with absolutely no objective evidence is the worst kind of emotional bias i can think of. 28kfps, would you get away with that kind of allegation against a moderator on Nevada shooters?

No insults just facts. Once again you made my point. I am done with this one.

 

[solus]

deja vu, gee whiz a few quotes from the august members of NV Shooter forum regarding the state of their forum, per se...

5 sept:
1. But I've noted during my short time on this forum that there is not a lot of leeway allowed for discussed.

If a thread leads to any discussion (not necessarily political, and not fighting or attacking another forum member), then it seems there are several long term members who immediately step in with comments about "didn't think the thread was about this or that", or "let's keep it on topic".

Compared to another gun oriented forum that I post on frequently, that is extremely busy, it would seem that there are a handful of frequent posters here who actively shut down free discussion.

2. It seems most threads turn into personal attacks and that was never why I joined. It turned me off for awhile but I still check the forum a few times a week.

3. traffic is down because the lack of quality people here.

I've been around since the first few months of this forum. Since we had all the NVS meets and shoots. And to be honest, there's not many people here I'd even trust enough to be around a loaded firearm anymore. It's sad, but true.

The community isn't what it used to be. And it's never going back. We've lost too many of the quality members. Just take a look at the people who've died.

4. Some of the long time posters have left or been invited not to come back. No one has seemed to take their place.

5. Seems to me over the last few years the tone of this forum has changed. Instead of tolerance and respectful open discussion there's more arguing and attacking over anything certain members don't agree with. I suspect that's driven some people away and caused others to refrain from posting.

I'm a member of a number of gun forums (not under this handle) and this is the only one I get that vibe from. The best and most popular gun forums are respected for their wisdom and knowledge. This one has evolved into more of a high school food fight.

6.

• It's summer. People are outside shooting, etc.;
• Too many new people asking stupid and/or bogus questions;
• Too many old hands with personal agendas;
• "Facebook syndrome" - requiring constant affirmation and applause;
• "Twitter syndrome" - demanding constant affirmation and applause;
• heavy-handed moderation, according to some.

7. Surprised this thread hasn't been locked!

these are a couple from the 5th with a total of 51 in the thread...just from yesterday!

 

[turborich]

It doesn't. That's why I left. I made a special effort this evening to check up on the place, and well, yep; I've been vindicated.

I teach NV self-defense laws as part of my living. I also made efforts to correct the wrong legal notices on the various state info pages of this website, to no avail.

Helping a few people ALMOST made it worth it to deal with the jerks around here.

You are one of the few who always give very solid advice.

 

[countryclubjoe]

How does one carry pepper spray? Open carry or CC?..

CCJ

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

How does one carry pepper spray? Open carry or CC?..

CCJ

When I carry it I carry it in the open in a holder made for the that brand attached to the belt of my running, biking pack.

 

[wrightme]

Dang, ocdo hasn't changed since the last time I was in here.......

 

[hahah]

who knows

Way to welcome a new person with possibly a legitimate question.
Is there a NV local moderator?
Why is it that when a person in the NV section asks a question regarding local laws or restrictions all the replies are from:

WalkingWolf - North Carolina

JoeSparky - Pleasant Grove, Utah

gutshot II - Central Ky.

Grapeshot -Moderator / Administrator - North Chesterfield, Va.

countryclubjoe - nj

MamaLiberty - Newcastle, Wyoming,

utbagpiper - Utah

solus - here nc

Not one response from anyone actually in NV. I didn't reply because I don't know.

The thread goes on a tangent and then gets locked.

It's a wonder that new people even get an answer or decide to even stay.

At this point I don't know if being here actually has any benefits...:banghead:

pepper spray hurts. What is the question?

 

[Felid`Maximus]

I rarely check here anymore... kind of a grave yard.

Few OC stories.

Police seem to be behaving. Moderators here restricted discussion of long-gun open carry, making one of the most recent incidents I can recall where police made a guy prone out on the asphalt for open carrying an AR-15 not a matter for discussion.


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Pepper Spray?

If it is a "dangerous" weapon, concealed carry could be restricted. What does "dangerous" mean? Nobody knows. If you are a resident of Nevada you may apply to a sheriff in writing per NRS 202.350 to carry a "dangerous" weapon concealed, but such a permit would be issued on a may-issue basis.
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec350

Pepper spray is also restricted on school/college campuses/child care facilities per NRS 202.265 which forbids any device used to mark a part of a person with a substance.

See https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec265

"dangerous devices" are also prohibited in the state legislature building per NRS 218a.905
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-218A.html#NRS218ASec905

There are no preemption laws for pepper spray.

In summary, open carry pepper spray almost anywhere but beware of local regulation and don't open carry pepper spray on campus.

Concealed carry pepper spray if you are okay with being the test case for what a "dangerous" weapon is.