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Travel with weapons?

Carry a Sig

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So I am planning a trip to the Northeastern states. NY is one of the states that does not acknowledge my carry permit. Besides as I understand what I have read, even if it did, I don't have a permit from NY. Anyway, my weapons are shotgun, bolt/lever action rifle, and 357 revolver. None have a magazine that would hold more that 10 rounds. Would I be ok with them in my motorhome if they were in a locked case under the bed? What about don't ask, don't tell? How do travel with firearms?
 

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handgunlaw.us is your friend...
if you have IA privilege card... all the states in the northern states do not honor your state’s privilege card!

additionally, some of those states have license plate readers to check out of state citizens have firearm privilege cards that their states do not honor, then stop the out of stater to validate there are no Illegal weapons In their vehicles!
 

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Now we know where went all of the tin-foil.
might wish to review

btw great contribution to the op dougie...
 

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New York, outside of the NYC area, is not as bad about FOPA as people think.

That said, you should go above and beyond. Ammo and guns in separate containers, all locked. Heck, buy a third lockbox, and put the keys for the other containers inside that, if you want. it's not legally required, but having to unlock a box to get the keys to unlock the other boxes can't hurt when it comes to either roadside perceptions or (if the worst happens), in front of a judge. Make it a series of Russian nesting dolls safes if you like.

I don't know about "all the northern states" not honoring an Iowa permit. The three most northeastern states (VT, NH, ME) are all constitutional carry and don't care about permits.

I've driven the length of NY multiple times with guns. I didn't sweat it. I even had a nice conversation with a NY state trooper along I-90 outside of Syracuse, while I was waiting for a tow after our trailer burned a wheel bearing. In a Texas truck towing a trailer with Texas plates... he didn't even ask. It would have been an awkward conversation, because inside the trailer I had dozens of firearms and hundreds of pounds of ammo. I was covered by LEOSA at the time, and was carrying two handguns; NY was less accepting of LEOSA than they were of FOPA in 2012, but even though there were horror stories about NY, the topic of guns never came up.
 

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Er, uh, hummm...K.B. how does a firearm carrying citizen get to Vermont through those Surrounding states which don’t recognize his permit?
 

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Er, uh, hummm...K.B. how does a firearm carrying citizen get to Vermont through those Surrounding states which don’t recognize his permit?
The same way one gets through Illinois: unloaded and locked in a secure container. There is no permit for transporting, which is what FOPA protects.

Carrying in NY, NJ, CT, MA, and RI is prohibited, obviously. Maryland and Delaware too, although they're Mid-Atlantic/South. Doesn't mean you can't transport locked and unloaded guns.
 

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Alas KB, you keep mentioning FOPA...[ https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-100/pdf/STATUTE-100-Pg449.pdf ] i guess you missed the posting regarding plate readers and the nice LEs discerning out of staters with privilege permission electronically attached to their license plates getting pulled over w/o justification and having to “defend” themselves, even tho federally, transport of firearm through contiguous states is allowed!

as for IL i have the luxury to drive around the state thanks!

btw you truly believe ”discussing“ FOPA nuances with LEs who have pulled you over in the middle of tim-buc-too nowhere is going to be productive to reaching your intended destination in a timely fashion?
 
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btw you truly believe ”discussing“ FOPA nuances with LEs who have pulled you over in the middle of tim-buc-too nowhere is going to be productive to reaching your intended destination in a timely fashion?
Your opinion is as useless as your reading comprehension.

I haven't been pulled over in over 20 years.
 

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Your opinion is as useless as your reading comprehension.

I haven't been pulled over in over 20 years.
of course you haven’t been pulled over KB...your active/retired LE credentials as well as your current legislative house privilege(s) are attached to your license plate info in the great national LE vehicle database...

you also missed the point and took the analogy i stated personally...let me quantify it a bit for you ~ do you truly believe john q public ”discussing“ FOPA nuances with counrty bumpkin LEs who have Just pulled you over in the middle of tim-buc-too nowhere is going to be productive to reaching their intended destination in a timely fashion?

you were saying something about reading comprehension kb?
 

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of course you haven’t been pulled over KB...your active/retired LE credentials as well as your current legislative house privilege(s) are attached to your license plate info in the great national LE vehicle database...

you also missed the point and took the analogy i stated personally...let me quantify it a bit for you ~ do you truly believe john q public ”discussing“ FOPA nuances with counrty bumpkin LEs who have Just pulled you over in the middle of tim-buc-too nowhere is going to be productive to reaching their intended destination in a timely fashion?

you were saying something about reading comprehension kb?
My LE status has never been attached to my license plates. Ever. And my status didn't come up when the NY trooper pulled up to ask if everything was okay, while we waited for a tow.

I've been a state rep for less than two years. My legislative cover plates aren't in any national database; I'm not even supposed to use them outside the state. My last LE interaction was with the NY trooper in 2012. Before that? I dunno, probably 2002, when I got two speeding tickets that I actually deserved and didn't argue about. (A month apart, in the same town that was a notorious speed trap.)

So yes, I was saying something about reading comprehension: your tendency to read things that aren't there just so you can make what you think is a witty response.
 

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...Before that? I dunno, probably 2002, when I got two speeding tickets that I actually deserved and didn't argue about. (A month apart, in the same town that was a notorious speed trap.)
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Two speeding tickets you "actually deserved," yet the town is a "notorious speed trap." That's like apples and oranges. You knew it was a speed trap, yet you chose to speed.
 

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18 USC 926A
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
"Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof," means no state law trumps this federal law. In other words, any state law that contradicts federal law is void. How do we know this?

18 USC 927
No provision of this chapter shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of the Congress to occupy the field in which such provision operates to the exclusion of the law of any State on the same subject matter, unless there is a direct and positive conflict between such provision and the law of the State so that the two cannot be reconciled or consistently stand together.
In other words, any conflict between state and federal law, federal law nullifies state law. How do we know this?

Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is known as the Supremacy Clause.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
A state judge has no choice, but to comply with federal law. If not complied with the state judge violated his oath.

Also, the cops would violate 18 USC 242, Deprivation of rights under color of law.

This is the bases of your motion to dismiss any state action.
 

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Thanks Color of Law, but remember most [read all] [including those of the blue brotherhood members] of this nation’s citizenry don’t have a clue/know/care about the nuances of federal codes, especially during an encounter with bumpkin LE, especially if the driver is a non-white!

shock & awe intimidation is the modus operandi of the LE during civilian encounters!
 

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Two speeding tickets you "actually deserved," yet the town is a "notorious speed trap." That's like apples and oranges. You knew it was a speed trap, yet you chose to speed.
The fact that it was a notorious speed trap doesn't matter. Yes, I knew it, but also yes: I was in a hurry.

I said I was speeding. I didn't contest the tickets. It's still a speed trap.
 

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If this happened in the Granite State, their speeding laws, like most state speed limit laws, are prima facie, a suggestion until challenged. I've never lost a speeding ticket.
 

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Thanks for the reply. My decision seems to be not to have any firearms in the RV when visiting NYC and surrounding states. Just easier. Will try and visit next summer. Hopefully Covid will be under control.
 
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