USA Carry Hating on Open Carry

[WalkingWolf]

See, this I can agree with, because I am looking at exactly what you are saying and not imputing inferences.

If I were making implications, I would criticize you because, apparently, you believe it is the government's job to regulate my wardrobe.

Did I say anything about government regulating wardrobe? Stop making a fool of yourself, and being a hypocrite.

 

[MAC702]

You seriously have some issues with comprehension. If you are not suggesting something why imply it. What kind of nut are you, can't you make a post without contradicting yourself. You are the one that needs to go back to school, you post like a child. You sound more like BL with each subsequent post. Instead of boring us with your emotions why not stick to facts.

 

[WalkingWolf]

You seriously have some issues with comprehension. If you are not suggesting something why imply it. What kind of nut are you, can't you make a post without contradicting yourself. You are the one that needs to go back to school, you post like a child. You sound more like BL with each subsequent post. Instead of boring us with your emotions why not stick to facts.

How old are you? Now you are going to play the childish repeat game. Grow up, get some manners, start using reality instead of emotion. Everything you have been whimpering about has been about emotions, not fact. You want to conceal without a permit, just do it, don't cry about your wardrobe or coat or whatever silly childish excuse you have for not OCing. The constitution was not written to be interpreted for excuses.

If you are going to use a quote then do it properly, if you are man enough.

 

[saiga12boy]

Spoken like a person who has never OCed a day in his life.

It simply doesn't happen that way. It really just doesn't. A small minority of people "feel uncomfortable". Then again, you can say the same thing about being male. Some people "feel uncomfortable" around males, too, doncha know. Maybe I should pretend to be a female. Better yet, maybe I should never leave the house – then nobody will ever "feel uncomfortable" around me.

Also, he's got a real love affair with police going on. I know a great many people who report being more comfortable around armed citizens than armed police; after all, the citizens aren't the ones watching their every move, ready to inflict the predations of government on them at any opportunity.

Exactly,you can't go about your life thinking "am I going to offend somebody somehow?". That's no way to live life. You might as well just kill yourself because if you left your home you might "offend" someone.

 

[dumpnpump]

open vs cc

It does seem to this newbie that open carry was the original intent. Not seeing a way around 2A, the concept of concealed carry came into vogue. Perhaps not to alarm the populace, perhaps to facilitate efforts to disarm the public. Get the public used to seeing no guns and eventually you are able to make it seem the norm and not the exception. Here in Illinois, we are finally getting some sort of carry, open or concealed. Though Heller and McDonald both provide for carry, they do not specify concealed. I wouldn't put it past our legislators to enact open carry just so the public can panic and attempt to hamstring us with "man with a gun" calls and merchants that post their properties. Additionally with the patchwork of prohibited places for carry, it would be much easier for a carrier to run afoul of the law and be a target for overzealous law enforcement.

 

[WalkingWolf]

It does seem to this newbie that open carry was the original intent. Not seeing a way around 2A, the concept of concealed carry came into vogue. Perhaps not to alarm the populace, perhaps to facilitate efforts to disarm the public. Get the public used to seeing no guns and eventually you are able to make it seem the norm and not the exception. Here in Illinois, we are finally getting some sort of carry, open or concealed. Though Heller and McDonald both provide for carry, they do not specify concealed. I wouldn't put it past our legislators to enact open carry just so the public can panic and attempt to hamstring us with "man with a gun" calls and merchants that post their properties. Additionally with the patchwork of prohibited places for carry, it would be much easier for a carrier to run afoul of the law and be a target for overzealous law enforcement.

I am hoping you good people of Illinois get open carry without a permit, crossing my fingers for you.

BTW welcome to OCDO!

 

[firefighter]

"Keep it Secret, the element of surprise, don't scare bystanders" - I think we have heard these arguments before. I very hastily let the author know how I felt and I think we should do the same. http://www.usacarry.com/keep-it-secret-keep-it-safe/

Its a good thing to cc, but we were given the right to bare arms which means we have the right to OC, I am waiting for my app to come back so I can cc, but not all times do I dress to CC, so i will exercise my right and let others see that it is ok to walk around OC. People shouldn't be afraid of people OCing, but people don't see it enough, and when they do it seems out of place and people are scared of that cause its different. We need to let people see it and after they see it enough they either won't be nervous or they will but they will walk on by. I am the 1st one in my area to OC at least that I have seen, and it has made me nervous and others as well, but I new to it and I think after the state police seen me and my gun holstered and opened the door to the store for me today and went on about his day, I don't feel as nervous. Carry it either way (OC or CC) and carry it proud, it's our right and the saying is so true that a right not exercised is a right wasted.

 

[eye95]

It does seem to this newbie that open carry was the original intent. Not seeing a way around 2A, the concept of concealed carry came into vogue. Perhaps not to alarm the populace, perhaps to facilitate efforts to disarm the public. Get the public used to seeing no guns and eventually you are able to make it seem the norm and not the exception...

Exactly. The point of OCDO is to normalize OC, making the sight of a lawfully carried and holstered firearm, once again, routine.

 

[MAC702]

Its a good thing to cc, but we were given the right to bare arms which means we have the right to OC, I am waiting for my app to come back so I can cc, but not all times do I dress to CC, so i will exercise my right and let others see that it is ok to walk around OC. People shouldn't be afraid of people OCing, but people don't see it enough, and when they do it seems out of place and people are scared of that cause its different. We need to let people see it and after they see it enough they either won't be nervous or they will but they will walk on by. I am the 1st one in my area to OC at least that I have seen, and it has made me nervous and others as well, but I new to it and I think after the state police seen me and my gun holstered and opened the door to the store for me today and went on about his day, I don't feel as nervous. Carry it either way (OC or CC) and carry it proud, it's our right and the saying is so true that a right not exercised is a right wasted.

Welcome!

Yes, OC is the best way to educate the public about the normalcy of carrying sidearms. OC is not unheard of here, but it is still not exactly popular. Many times, we are the only person OC'ing in the area, and often meet people who have never seen an OC'er before (that wasn't wearing a uniform). But at the same time, we mostly encounter people who don't notice or don't care, but in both cases, aren't bothered at all by it; which is my far the most normal reaction.

Those who purposely make a habit of hiding their gun are really doing the carrying of guns a disservice. Most voters don't know how often guns save lives because the only people they actually SEE with guns are the cops. So they think that must be sufficient.

One thing to think about: It's hard to carry it "proudly" if you are concealing it...

 

[MAC702]

It does seem to this newbie that open carry was the original intent. Not seeing a way around 2A, the concept of concealed carry came into vogue. Perhaps not to alarm the populace, perhaps to facilitate efforts to disarm the public. Get the public used to seeing no guns and eventually you are able to make it seem the norm and not the exception. Here in Illinois, we are finally getting some sort of carry, open or concealed. Though Heller and McDonald both provide for carry, they do not specify concealed. I wouldn't put it past our legislators to enact open carry just so the public can panic and attempt to hamstring us with "man with a gun" calls and merchants that post their properties. Additionally with the patchwork of prohibited places for carry, it would be much easier for a carrier to run afoul of the law and be a target for overzealous law enforcement.

Welcome! It is quite interesting to follow what is going on in Illinois! This will be a milestone year for your carry rights, even if only a symbolic one, but here's hoping for some actual practical carry methods to be allowed to you finally!

It's a bit sad that "modern" times has made concealed carry the norm, with its tiny guns and/or uncomfortable carry positions, but OC is making in comeback in some states, like mine. I've been OC'ing as my primary form of carry for 20 years, and have gone years without seeing another OC'er, and still hardly ever see one, not counting purposeful encounters that I find out about here.

The only way to get the MWAG calls to lessen in severity and frequency is to just let them get started...

 

[FreeInAZ]

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The only way to get the MWAG calls to lessen in severity and frequency is to just let them get started...

1st a Welcome to our new poster from IL.

MAC - another approach would be for LE to train dispatchers to actually ask some intelligent questions of a possibly ill informed caller. Is the person acting strangely or in a threatening manner? How is the gun being carried? "Caller: No the guy seems normal, he's walking his poodle & the gun is in a holster on his hip." Dispatcher: "That's called open carry and it is legal in our state." 90% of MWAG calls on OCers could be deescalated if dispatchers asked simple questions before rolling all unit's respond to a man with a gun CODE 3.

 

[MAC702]

1st a Welcome to our new poster from IL.

MAC - another approach would be for LE to train dispatchers to actually ask some intelligent questions of a possibly ill informed caller. Is the person acting strangely or in a threatening manner? How is the gun being carried? "Caller: No the guy seems normal, he's walking his poodle & the gun is in a holster on his hip." Dispatcher: "That's called open carry and it is legal in our state." 90% of MWAG calls on OCers could be deescalated if dispatchers asked simple questions before rolling all unit's respond to a man with a gun CODE 3.

Oh, I agree absolutely. But you can't TRAIN them to do that. Only an overwhelming number of MWAG calls will get them (for their own selfish reasons) to want to focus on something else and to try to get the caller not to expect them to show up for it.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Unless Harnett has changed policy they will not dispatch a car for MWAG, there response was "That is legal in North Carolina". But that was before all the hysteria over a few shootings across the country, who knows what they say now. In the country they would not even dispatch for shots fired calls, gunfire here is a normal thing to hear daily.

 

[cablebob]

Serious question here from a newb. If OC is our constitutional right then why do some states have laws that force citizens to get a "permit to carry"? Iowa is one of those states. I can open or conceal with this permit, however if I'm within city limits I am "required" to show my permit to a peace office upon request. I don't get it....

 

[marshaul]

Serious question here from a newb. If OC is our constitutional right then why do some states have laws that force citizens to get a "permit to carry"? Iowa is one of those states. I can open or conceal with this permit, however if I'm within city limits I am "required" to show my permit to a peace office upon request. I don't get it....

Why? Because the courts, up to an including the SCOTUS, are unremittingly statist.

 

[eye95]

Serious question here from a newb. If OC is our constitutional right then why do some states have laws that force citizens to get a "permit to carry"? Iowa is one of those states. I can open or conceal with this permit, however if I'm within city limits I am "required" to show my permit to a peace office upon request. I don't get it....

Because some States (and some state agents) routinely violate the Constitution. The Supreme Court in Heller and McDonald have stated that certain specific restrictions by governments are indeed unconstitutional. The striking down of ALL gun law in Illinois by the appeals court also recognizes that these oppressive laws are arbitrary and unlawful.

What has not yet been decided by the SCOTUS (but has been decided by many State supreme courts) is whether or not the unadorned act of open carry is THE constitutional carry (history tells us that it is) and therefore warrants protection from all infringements (such as carry in GFSZ, courthouses, etc.).

The RKBA means, IMO, that I may carry a personal arm (including both firearms and knives) virtually anywhere I choose in public and on private property with the permission of the owner/agent, all without any kind of permission slip from the State. I can see very few exceptions, but recognize that they could exist (for example, places protected by armed guards and not open to the general public, even if publicly owned, such as police armories, secure military areas, etc.).

 

[WalkingWolf]

Why? Because the courts, up to an including the SCOTUS, are unremittingly statist.

Unfortunately the above is true...

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Why? Because the courts, up to an including the SCOTUS, are unremittingly statist.

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