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Washington State senator 'encourages' other legislators to carry guns on campus

Ken56

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Fine and dandy for them......does he feel the same way for the average citizen? Can a citizen carry on the Capitol campus? We have too many "privileged" groups that seem to have extra legal privilege extended to them. In Michigan it is legal to carry on the Capitol campus AND into the Capitol building. Any other states allow this?
 

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Fine and dandy for them......does he feel the same way for the average citizen? Can a citizen carry on the Capitol campus? We have too many "privileged" groups that seem to have extra legal privilege extended to them. In Michigan it is legal to carry on the Capitol campus AND into the Capitol building. Any other states allow this?
Kentucky does, and so does Texas
 
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Fine and dandy for them......does he feel the same way for the average citizen? Can a citizen carry on the Capitol campus? We have too many "privileged" groups that seem to have extra legal privilege extended to them. In Michigan it is legal to carry on the Capitol campus AND into the Capitol building. Any other states allow this?
Idaho!
 

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They and We, have a duty, via our creator, to protect what he has created, therefore, it is our duty, to protect ourself and our posterity, from those vile creatures that wish to do us ill will. The natural law of protecting ones family, existed long before our Constitution was ratified.

It is our duty unto the Creator, to protect and cherish what he created.

God's law, is indeed the law of the land, not some de facto regulation, handed down by petty tyrants..

Government authority, does not trump the Creator's authority..

" It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong".. Voltaire

Be armed or be slaughtered!

My .02
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Fine and dandy for them......does he feel the same way for the average citizen? Can a citizen carry on the Capitol campus? We have too many "privileged" groups that seem to have extra legal privilege extended to them. In Michigan it is legal to carry on the Capitol campus AND into the Capitol building. Any other states allow this?
If I remember right, a couple of years ago, some legislators felt threatened with the presence of open carried firearms in the gallery, so now only those with valid CPL can carry at the Washington State Capitol interior.
 

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Any legal (not otherwise restricted person) may carry w/o a permit in the Virgiia General Assembly Building, except in the Senate gallery.
 

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If I remember right, a couple of years ago, some legislators felt threatened with the presence of open carried firearms in the gallery, so now only those with valid CPL can carry at the Washington State Capitol interior.
Some asshats carrying AR's, and Ak's at the low ready and raised above their head like Iraqis at a wedding.
 

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They weren't OCing, they were full-on brandishing in violation of .270 and the feckless WSP refused to do their job and arrest them, prompting the idiotic legislature to ban OC in the galleries and hearing rooms.
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bran·dish
ˈbrandiSH/Submit
verb
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
If WSP had done their jobs and arrested these brandishers, we'd still have holstered OC and in the galleries and hearing rooms, the same as we've had for decades before that.
 
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Firearms Iinstuctor

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They weren't OCing, they were full-on brandishing in violation of .270 and the feckless WSP refused to do their job and arrest them, prompting the idiotic legislature to ban OC in the galleries and hearing rooms.
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If WSP had done their jobs and arrested these brandishers, we'd still have holstered OC and in the galleries and hearing rooms, the same as we've had for decades before that.
If you think that anti's care about laws before they pass other anti firearms laws you are sadly mistaken.

They well use any reason, excuse to destroy firearm ownership or the ability to carry them.

So how were the voting records of the representatives that introduced the bill before this happen.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

Seems like 270 is based on the feelings of the other people around could it be that the WSP did not believe that others were felt intimidated or that others were alarmed for there safety.

Remember anti's well use every reason and or excuse to push there agenda. Anti's lie all the time.
 

utbagpiper

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Fine and dandy for them......does he feel the same way for the average citizen? Can a citizen carry on the Capitol campus? We have too many "privileged" groups that seem to have extra legal privilege extended to them. In Michigan it is legal to carry on the Capitol campus AND into the Capitol building. Any other states allow this?
Utah does. In fact, all State and local government buildings are open to legal carry with the following short list of exceptions:

1-Prisons and jails.
2-Secure mental hospitals.
3-The sterile area of the airport.
4-Any courtroom that is a secure area by providing security and gun storage. (Most or all State courts have refused to provide storage and so are not secure areas, but they enforce no gun policies under judicial power to hold you in contemp.)
5-The interior of any House of Worship that gives notice that guns are banned. (By default, private guns are permitted in churches.)
6-Schools (preschools, daycares, K-12, and colleges) require a permit to carry on campus or in the buildings. Under State law, any permit is good for colleges, any permit held by a person 21 or older is good for Preschools, daycares, and K-12. Under GFSZ law, only Utah permits are good for K-12 schools.
7-Colleges can set up temporary hearing rooms for disciplinary matters that are off limits to guns.

And of course federal law puts all buildings where federal employees do their business off limits.

Our State Capital is open to guns and doesn't even have metal detectors. County and city buildings are open to guns. DMV and other buildings are open to private guns. So too are bars, State liquor stores, etc.

Charles
 

Alpine

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If you think that anti's care about laws before they pass other anti firearms laws you are sadly mistaken.

They well use any reason, excuse to destroy firearm ownership or the ability to carry them.

So how were the voting records of the representatives that introduced the bill before this happen.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

Seems like 270 is based on the feelings of the other people around could it be that the WSP did not believe that others were felt intimidated or that others were alarmed for there safety.

Remember anti's well use every reason and or excuse to push there agenda. Anti's lie all the time.
The Washington state courts have interpreted .270 narrowly and avoided the "feelings" pitfall fairly well in cases like Casad:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/index.cfm?fa=opinions.showOpinion&filename=353334MAJ
We note that, in connection with this case, several individuals have commented that they would find it strange, maybe shocking, to see a man carrying a gun down the street in broad daylight. Casad's appellate counsel conceded that she would personally react with shock, but she emphasized that an individual's lack of comfort with firearms does not equate to reasonable alarm. We agree. It is not unlawful for a person to responsibly walk down the street with a visible firearm, even if this action would shock some people.


And the facts in evidence do not support a reasonable suspicion that Casad carried the weapons in a fashion that would warrant alarm. Casad wrapped a towel around the rifles and he cradled them in both arms, so he could not readily reach the trigger and he did not have the rifles "at the ready." RP at 73. In Spencer, this court upheld a conviction for unlawful display partially because the defendant warranted alarm by carrying a rifle while walking briskly with his head down, in "a hostile, assaultive type manner with the weapon ready." 75 Wn. App. at 121. But Casad's demeanor did not warrant alarm; he walked straight down the path with eyes focused forward. He did not wear combat type clothing nor act erratically. In short, other than the fact that he was carrying the guns down the street to a pawn shop, which is typically a lawful activity, Casad did nothing to warrant alarm.
 
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