Read it again. Matter of fact read any or all my posts.Bravo_Sierra wrote:Hawker wrote:Open carry in this state is legal and the only way left to express the RIGHT to bear arms.I've been a long time reader of this forum section and several other areas here. I am a new poster though.
My question is why open carry? Delaware is not a hard state to get your permit. Why open yourself up to false arrests, hassles, and the like? Just get the permit and don't worry about it. Then... add on PA and FL and you are good to go.
You like hunting, need the states permission and a hunting lisence.
You want to carry conceal? States permission and a lot of then looking you over to see if your a law abiding citizen AND have a need.
You talk about supporting the 2A but you have problems with those that do by openly carrying. Which is THE ONLY WAY to show that.
I have my CCDW (states permission) and use it everyday because of people like you who would call the police on me.
If people (including the police) fear people expressing their RIGHTS then we are trully lost.
As far as coming to Dover, which is the only city in DE where you have to have a CCDW to 'Teach' the police about a state gauranteed RIGHT, maybe someday. To bad we can't exercise that RIGHT in the states capital.
You are looking at what may become an activist group, just not yet.
This is a site for anyone to come and ask question about anything. And share thier experiences with others about carrying openly or concealed.
Remember, you started this.
No "challenge"... just trying to understand the OC concept. I've lived in Delaware a very long time and have not yet seen OC except for LE. Enlighten me... how many folks do you think actually OC on a daily basis?
how many?? I for one have no idea, but I know there are people OCing today that wern't OCing a year ago. assuming that someone that was opencarrying wouldn't just stop for no reason I must assume the number is growing. I open carry every day. not all day every day, sometines I conceal for various reasons, but when that circumstance has passed i revert to OC
Get off the "it's my right thing" and think about how you might approach the citizens and Law enforecement of Delaware. They aren't interested in political activism... they are interested in reasonable, logical discourse form informed OC people... not gunshop commando rhetoric. Do I have your attention now?
I approach the citizens and law enforcement of delaware the same with or without a OC'd gun. as a person carrying on his daily activities. yes MOST people are not interested in any kind of political activism unless it is something they are already passionate about. my activism is more subtle than waving banners, picketting, and burning abortion clinics... I carry on as a normal person who happens to be wearing a gun. if someone asks about it I will (briefly) give some information. maybe No converts, but I am increasing awearness of the fact its legal.
Nor does it mean that your assumptions are accurate about us.
They want to know your thinking rather than a political activist (confrontational) position.
I don't confront anyone. they are free to make their own choice (as it should be) but they are less likely to be "freaked out" by seeing a gun the next time. Very few have been "freaked out" by the sight of me and my gun and i am told I am rather intimidating. even the few that were nervous about the gun have asked about it. if they were truely freaked out I think all I would see are a$$es and elbows.
I prefer CC to OC for the numerous reasons outlined previously. That doesn't make me a troll. When trying to promote your position, it is helpful that you come from a position of wanting people to understand OC. DE is a tough state. On one hand, you have a gun-friendly Governor, the President of the NRA, and lot's of sporting enthusiasts....but, the Brady's arehere in a semi-liberal Democrat State (legislature and many citizens)that don't have a clue.
Your preference. I would rather someone was carrying no matter how. thats what I'm about. don't try to force your views or morals on me. ( this is a statement of my views, not an attack on you.) I'm saying that the pope and the president and all others are free to have their own beleifs, but don't try to force me to beleive the way you think is the only TRUE WAY.
Exactly... but reasonable discussions are important. OC must sell the people of the state, not me. I'm all for gun rights. Most uninformed people think you have to have some sort of permit just to own a gun. They are a product of the news media I'm afraid.
It's nice to have both options as many of the OC folks prefer CC at times.
yes its nice, but I never prefer to cc. I do so out of necessity at times.
If you had the CCDW, would you prefer that over OC? Both have their time and place I think.
My CCDW dosen't make me perfer CC it allows me the option of CC and keeps me from violating the federal school zone. plus allows me to legally carry in Dover
I don't agree with the newspaper thing, but it really doesn't defeat the purpose or compromise your position when carrying. Bad guys rarely, if ever read the announcements.
A well thought out plan for OC is more important than just handling the issue at the police dept because some super trooper didn't know the law. Wynder looks like he has a good grip on the concept. Nothing will happen (mostly the shall issue thing) until Mitchell leaves his post and goes back to the Brady's from which he came. It's important to vote.
Outside of getting a license, Delaware is blissfully absent of many gun laws.A bit off topic, but I just found out my CO CCWis legal for CC in DE. A recent change, I guess. Good for DE! They seem much 2A friendlier than I would have thought.
Hawker, what happened to all of your posts? All I see is a
now where you used to have some words and sentences.... :?:?
I was finishing up my training for my NRA Instructor Certification, otherwise I probably would've attended. Hopefully we'll be able to catch up at some point in the future.I do think Rob is a strong contributor and has added much valuable information, both on the CC and OC issues. I appreciate his posts. I was hoping to run into him and say hello at the USPSA Shoot in Chester County last weekend.
Thanks, Rob. I'd like that.Hawker wrote:I was finishing up my training for my NRA Instructor Certification, otherwise I probably would've attended. Hopefully we'll be able to catch up at some point in the future.I do think Rob is a strong contributor and has added much valuable information, both on the CC and OC issues. I appreciate his posts. I was hoping to run into him and say hello at the USPSA Shoot in Chester County last weekend.
Dave- After getting beat up as a troll, a punk with a 1911, and several other innuendos from people on this site, I decided to just delete some ofthe posts awhile back.
I suppose my concealed carry preference didn't sit well withsome of theOC guys, and that's ok... I'd like to think we are all on the same 2A side of things.
Although not a member, I have read the postings and such at your Deloc site. That's a good site and probably even more localized than this one. Good work.
Thanks for your note and inquiry.