I don't think anyone is dismissing the possibility. But it is quite often that someone comes here and spouts it as statistically significant and to tell us it is the reason people should not OC.
If it COULD happen then it should be noted. Also note that I also stated that OC can deter most criminals. I think the chances of deterrence are much higher than the chances of making you a target. But there are instances when you COULD be considered a target or threat. You can never know what a criminal is willing to do, or what is going through their mind. I don't mind playing the odds because I feel that I have the chance to deter more crime than to bring on myself...but I'm not stupid. This is why OC'ers should keep high situational awareness....if OC deterred all crime and invited NONE then awareness wouldn't be needed. Why be worried about someone grabbing your gun from behind when you try to dismiss the possibility of being targeted during a crime? Sounds like that would be considered the definition of being targeted....
Seems like a lot of people do try to claim that it's impossible, but I'm definitely not trying to discredit OC. I OC myself and I think there are many more pro's than con's for OC, regardless of what could happen.
You COULD get hit by a meteor. Wear your helmet.
COULD don't mean squat.
You are presenting this outlandishly unlikely possibility as a reason to consider not OCing. Such consideration would be moronic beyond belief.
Who said it was impossible? It is so unlikely as to be not worth considering any more than one would worry about being hit by a meteor.
If you are so situationally unaware that having someone sneak up on you and steal your gun is a real possibility, or that someone will get the jump on you and gun you down before you notice they're up to no good, maybe you should not just rethink OC but carrying a gun altogether.....and life in general. Situational awareness isn't something that was invented with the gun....
Life is a numbers game. Do you increase your risk of being targeted for crime because you OC? I think you are talking about a net negative result on that dice roll. The infinitesimally small chance of being targeted first by a robber or other BG are vastly outweighed by those who would rather just find an unarmed person down the road to tangle with, where they undoubtedly have the upper hand. I feel pretty good when I OC that the odds are with me.....be aware, but don't be paranoid is what I'd tell anybody who is nervous about OCing.
Seems like a lot of people do try to claim that it's impossible, but I'm definitely not trying to discredit OC. I OC myself and I think there are many more pro's than con's for OC, regardless of what could happen.
Tough, their problem not mine.
I have [highlight]never[/highlight] said nor heard anyone say that it was impossible...
He is using a strawman to make his argument look stronger next to a weaker one--a weaker one of his own invention, not one he has actually encountered.
Resorting to strawmen is a sure sign of a failed argument.
Oh, I know and it is patently obvious watsup, but I needed the practice. :lol:
I know you know. Your turn.
I actually wrote that for someone else to read. :uhoh:
--snipped--
I did accidently open carry while getting gas in VA. It was hot out so I had removed my cover garment for the roadtrip, wearing just a tank top and a snubby in a owb holster on my belt. I stopped to get gas and use the restroom. After I was back on the road I realized I was walking around with my gun hanging out. The world didn't end, I didn't get shot by a bad guy and nobody hassled me. Seem to make no difference at all. Hmmm...
It IS possible, however remotely possible, that you were extremely lucky that time.....<snip> The world didn't end, I didn't get shot by a bad guy and nobody hassled me. Seem to make no difference at all. Hmmm...
By the same token, when someone says "it is possible," they should also include the relative odds.
You shouldn't say "it is possible to get shot in a bank robbery" and "it is possible to win the lottery with a ticket you found in the gutter" with the same tone that you say "it is possible to draw a king in a deck of cards."
The fact is that the mythical status of the "get shot first" and "advertised target" arguments are debunked without disputing the physical possibility of infinite futures in infinite universes.
When you consider the reality of what has actually happened, you realize that that chance is less than one in a million. It just doesn't happen. However, we know for a fact that the reverse happens, that a criminal could change his target to avoid committing a crime in the vicinity of an OCer.
Simply put, that is an urban myth, an ol' wives tale, empty argument. Been debunked sooo many times that I am loath to do it again - think I'll let someone else have a turn.
You're not wrong, you are .000001% correct. Grape just stated it bass ackwards.This is saying that it's technically impossible. If you introduce an argument that requires "infinite futures and universes" to happen, you have successfully stated that it's impossible. Until evidence arises that there are in fact infinite universes you are saying it cannot happen.
First you say it's 1 in a million, then you say it doesn't happen. Maybe not saying it's impossible, but it's so improbable that it's of no use.
Sounds to me like you dismiss this possibility so fiercely that you are stating it's impossible. You use words that try to make what I say as completely false or "impossible". When in actuality it's a possible situation.
There are three different quotes, on only one page of this discussion that dismisses the possibility of this situation occurring. Maybe you should remember the things you say, and understand the context of what your saying. Maybe you didn't mean the things you said the way you said them, but my premise that most of you dismiss the possibility is not wrong.
Since I can't post an opinion, a correct opinion at that, without being basically called untruthful, I will not be posting on this thread again. You have shown your bigotry, and thick headed nature when it comes to ideas that don't coincide with your own.
--snip-- You have shown your bigotry, and thick headed nature when it comes to ideas that don't coincide with your own.
--snip-- Grape just stated it bass ackwards.
Interesting point, in cc circles it's advised to not be a victim, by not looking like a victim........
You guys raise some interesting points and food for thought..........
The world didn't end,.........
I didn't get shot by a bad guy..............
and nobody hassled me...............
Seem to make no difference at all. Hmmm...