Friends of NRA dinner and OC and NVFAC

[CowboyKen]

Correct. So, not only is it anti-OC venue, it is anti-firearm venue. ....

Given this, and I agree completely, why would anyone who is "pro-gun" want to attend an event at this venue? And, oh-yea, why would an organization that calls itself "Friends of the NRA" book an event at such a venue?

Careless? At least! I would rather not think about at worst.

Ken

p.s.; I will think about attending if they rebook at a gun friendly venue.

 

[wrightme]

Given this, and I agree completely, why would anyone who is "pro-gun" want to attend an event at this venue? And, oh-yea, why would an organization that calls itself "Friends of the NRA" book an event at such a venue?

Careless? At least! I would rather not think about at worst.

Ken

p.s.; I will think about attending if they rebook at a gun friendly venue.

Alternatively, be vocal about your reasons for not liking the choice of venue, and attend anyway to support the programs that are funded by the FofNRA. Sometimes, it is of value to look beyond the personal, and take in the bigger picture.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Alternatively, be vocal about your reasons for not liking the choice of venue, and attend anyway to support the programs that are funded by the FofNRA. Sometimes, it is of value to look beyond the personal, and take in the bigger picture.

I was vocal with the NRA for having there large "western USA meeting" at a College near San Diego last year. I would have liked a motorcycle ride there and the weather is great. I also have friends to visit... But why do they insist on us who attend, support a anti gun campus and a anti gun State... I wrote many letters and got no response.

 

[wrightme]

I was vocal with the NRA for having there large "western USA meeting" at a College near San Diego last year. I would have liked a motorcycle ride there and the weather is great. I also have friends to visit... But why do they insist on us who attend, support a anti gun campus and a anti gun State... I wrote many letters and got no response.

In the Steak vs Fish example, there were 48%.

How many did attend? What % of that were you? Besides, that wasn't what I suggested, was it.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

In the Steak vs Fish example, there were 48%.

How many did attend? What % of that were you? Besides, that wasn't what I suggested, was it.

Go find someone else to argue with I eat pork!

 

[wrightme]

Go find someone else to argue with I eat pork!

If you do not desire argument, there is no reason for you to continue, is there.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

If you do not desire argument, there is no reason for you to continue, is there.

Im not arguing..... this is my response to all of your conversation with me. The answer to your future questions is contained in the first three words of this post.

 

[CowboyKen]

Given this, and I agree completely, why would anyone who is "pro-gun" want to attend an event at this venue? And, oh-yea, why would an organization that calls itself "Friends of the NRA" book an event at such a venue?

Careless? At least! I would rather not think about at worst.

Ken

p.s.; I will think about attending if they rebook at a gun friendly venue.

Alternatively, be vocal about your reasons for not liking the choice of venue, and attend anyway to support the programs that are funded by the FofNRA. Sometimes, it is of value to look beyond the personal, and take in the bigger picture.

Why would I want an alternative? Especially one I do not believe is in my self interest?

Ken

 

[wrightme]

Why would I want an alternative? Especially one I do not believe is in my self interest?Ken

If you have no interest in supporting the programs paid for by FofNRA, then there is no reason for you to contemplate attending, firearms-friendly venue or not, is there.

The point of 'alternatively' is to address those who desire to support those projects, (by virtue of actually contemplating attending) but who also do not want to disarm to do so. Unless those complaining are actually supportive of FofNRA and desire to support what they fund, they have no true complaint at all, and are just arguing for the sake of badmouthing anything NRA/NVFAC.


People who are pro-gun would attend to support the programs of the FofNRA.

 

[CowboyKen]

... People who are pro-gun would attend to support the programs of the FofNRA.

The assumption you are making is that "the programs of the FofNRA" are truly pro-gun. When an organization like this one ignores a significant part of its constituency, or acts against that constituency's interests/objectives, it hurts those people and itself.

I am admittedly "PRO-GUN." I do not, and will not, support an organization that claims to be pro-gun but only the parts of "pro-gun" it likes. Reasonable gun control (for instance), to me, is like being a little bit pregnant. For the FofNRA to hold this event in a venue that is adamantly anti-gun is anathema as far as I am concerned. YMMV. Good luck.

Ken

p.s.; If this were just about supporting the NRA financially I could just send them a check.

 

[wrightme]

The assumption you are making is that "the programs of the FofNRA" are truly pro-gun. When an organization like this one ignores a significant part of its constituency, or acts against that constituency's interests/objectives, it hurts those people and itself.

No, I am assuming that someone desiring to attend the dinner would be "FOR" the programs funded by the FofNRA.

I am admittedly "PRO-GUN." I do not, and will not, support an organization that claims to be pro-gun but only the parts of "pro-gun" it likes. Reasonable gun control (for instance), to me, is like being a little bit pregnant. For the FofNRA to hold this event in a venue that is adamantly anti-gun is anathema as far as I am concerned. YMMV. Good luck.

So, if such org does not support ALL of what you desire, they aren't worth supporting at all? Kind of a 'throw out the baby with the bathwater' view, if you ask me.

Ken

p.s.; If this were just about supporting the NRA financially I could just send them a check.

Maybe the disconnect is that you are conflating the NRA and 'FofNRA.' I know at least the SFA has received grants from the FofNRA for range improvements; decidedly pro-gun. Do you support shooting range improvements? Or are you against them? If you don't like what the F0fNRA funds, what are some of those things that they fund that you do not like?

 

[usmcmustang]

If you have no interest in supporting the programs paid for by FofNRA, then there is no reason for you to contemplate attending, firearms-friendly venue or not, is there.

The point of 'alternatively' is to address those who desire to support those projects, (by virtue of actually contemplating attending) but who also do not want to disarm to do so. Unless those complaining are actually supportive of FofNRA and desire to support what they fund, they have no true complaint at all, and are just arguing for the sake of badmouthing anything NRA/NVFAC.


People who are pro-gun would attend to support the programs of the FofNRA.

Try this one…
I am gay AND pro gay-rights. The “Friends of Gays for Change” (FGC), is having a “gender puzzled” educational forum and the venue they have chosen for its presentation is the fellowship hall of a local evangelical Christian church. The venue was chosen because: (1) cheap accommodations; (2) it’s in the center of town; and (3) somebody had their head in their ass. Those gays who plan to attend the event have been told that the Church is “gay friendly/supportive” but have been asked to not “dress” like fags. So… who’s eating fish and who’s eating steak?

 

[CowboyKen]

... If you don't like what the F0fNRA funds, what are some of those things that they fund that you do not like?

I thought that was clear. Holding events in an, to quote you, "anti-firearm venue." Is there nowhere else they can do a dinner?

Ken

 

[wrightme]

I thought that was clear. Holding events in an, to quote you, "anti-firearm venue." Is there nowhere else they can do a dinner?

Ken

You are conflating again. Either you support the programs the FofNRA funds, or you don't. That is what I was pointing out about 'alternatively....'

I agree that they are giving business to a company that denies the carrying of firearms, and I mentioned that those who see this as an issue should communicate that to the event coordinators, and the appropriate NRA rep. AND, if they desire to support the programs funded by the FofNRA, which they partly receive from the fundraising dinner, they should find a way to support them.

 

[CowboyKen]

You are conflating again.

Conflating, really? LOL

conflating: present participle of con·flate Verb: Combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one: "the urban crisis conflates a number of different economic and social issues".

Ken

 

[usmcmustang]

You are conflating again. Either you support the programs the FofNRA funds, or you don't. That is what I was pointing out about 'alternatively....'

I agree that they are giving business to a company that denies the carrying of firearms, and I mentioned that those who see this as an issue should communicate that to the event coordinators, and the appropriate NRA rep. AND, if they desire to support the programs funded by the FofNRA, which they partly receive from the fundraising dinner, they should find a way to support them.

What better way to “communicate” AND “conflate” than to absolutely refuse to attend AND to withhold funds by as many as could be convinced to do so? That would pretty much get someone’s attention, no? “Communication” and “conflation” can take on varying degrees of activity. If someone or something does or does not do what one supports, then the best “communication” of displeasure IS the withholding of funds that might otherwise be provided. Our government is perhaps the most specific example of this. If we, as citizens, were given the opportunity to WITHHOLD our funds (tax dollars) from the government, should we disagree with governmental action/inaction, what a “different” world it might be, huh? Same applies in this little microcosm. Don’t go to this little function and don’t give any money to this little organization… plain and simple…now that’s COMMUNICATION.

 

[wrightme]

Conflating, really? LOL

conflating: present participle of con·flate Verb: Combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one: "the urban crisis conflates a number of different economic and social issues".

Ken

Yes, really.

 

[The Big Guy]

Mike

It has been asked if this property is OC/CC friendly. I have emailed them about this question and below is the response:



xxx

Thank you for your question about firearms. Even though we respect the rights of gun owners, we do not allow weapons to be carried open or concealed on our property.

Hope you enjoy your time here at the Santa Fe and again thank you for contacting us with your question.


Jason Hudson | Director of Security & Safety
Santa Fe Station Casino ● Hotel
4949 North Rancho| Las Vegas, Nevada 89130
Phone 702.515.4340 Fax 702.658.4949



This being the case, as an NRA Life member of about 30 years, I am asking that a new venue be found for this function. We in no way as an organization should patronize an establishment that does not allow us our inalienable rights.

Regards

This is the reply I got from the NRA rep regarding the dinner being held at a anti-firearms establishment.



Thank you for sharing this; I have forwarded this on to the local Vegas committee for review.

Mike Davis
Field Representative, So CA & So NV
National Rifle Association
13681 Newport Ave #8-618
Tustin, CA 92780
714.368.0451 voice
714.368.7609 fax
mdavis@nrahq.org
www.friendsofnra.org


TBG

 

[varminter22]

I received the same response from Mike Davis.

 

[Vegassteve]

I sent him a email asking for the contact info of the Vegas leaders. I dont understand if he is the one listed as a rep, listed as the one selling tickets, listed as the info source, why he does not know anything. Again I may be jumping the gun but I feel like he has more say in this than he lets on. I also do not feel like he is doing much to resolve this. Again if he is the rep why is he not leading the group on this?