imported post
Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
.
half my family un-friended me on Facebook because I posted this statement "Our Republic is not a Democracy. Just because people win elections does not mean they can legislate anything. The Constitution is our supreme law and must be strictly adhered to or our Republic will wither on the vine. If Obama can refuse to show his original birth certificate and spend millions to protect it from being revealed and still be president, our country is not long for this world. Its only a matter of time before the Constitution and Constitutional rights we all seem to hold dear no longer have any teeth."
Now how is that something vicious or bad? I certainly don't know... but at least 1/3 of my family emailed me after I wrote that and said that I was a horrible person and to not expect an invite to Thanksgiving ever again. They called me a racist because I felt that Obama should at least prove he was born in the US by showing his original birth certificate.... is that too friggin much to ask? The rest just unfriended me with no explanation.
Interestingly enough, I have not lost as many friends on Facebook as I have family... but the trend still exists... and of my friends, they think I hate Obama... and any explanation I try to give pertaining to the needed adherence to our Constitution falls on deaf ears or they also claim I must really hate Obama.
The biggest one I get is.... "Where were you during the 8 years of Bush??? Huh!!! Huh!?!" to which I respond... "Oh, I don't know... living in Asia for 12 years!!!" I voted Libertarian the whole time... AND I wrote letters... but I was dealing with other issues abroad..." That shuts them up... but other than that... they have nothing.
There are many reasons to dislike Obama and what he's doing, from both political spectrums, but the "why can't he produce his original birth certificate" stuff needs to go away entirely.
Let's follow along with my thought here, but let's say I decided in 2016 or 2020 to run for President of the United States. I would be qualified as I would be 35 years of age by the time I am sworn in to office, however because me and my parents moved repeatedly over the years, they do not have my original birth certificate. I was born only a few miles away from the Mexican border.
Do you think that I should somehow magically make my "original birth certificate" appear out of the ether before I should be allowed to run for President? Shouldn't the certified copy of my birth certificate from the State of Arizona suffice? I mean, I was born right next to the border, I could have possibly been born in either of the Mexican State's of Sonora or Baja California Norte since I was supposed to be born in a "border town".
If Obama can refuse to show his original birth certificate and spend millions to protect it from being revealed and still be president, our country is not long for this world
Because apparently you don't understand how the adversarial judicial process works. Since I am currently involved in federal civil rights litigation and work with my lawyer for strategies and legal research, I had to do a lot of study on federal judicial and constitutional procedure.
When you are sued, in order for you to win a defense, you either need to defend yourself personally, or hire lawyers. There were DOZENS if these suits kind of nationwide both in the state courts and in the federal courts, and then-Senator Obama had to hire lawyers to meet as defense against each and every suit. Lawyers are very expensive, especially for these sort of off the wall legal challenges in both state and federal court. The rule is: If you don't show up in court to defend yourself, you lose by default, and the plaintiffs legal arguments will win, even if they claim that the presidential candidate is a space alien.
Expecting someone to somehow save a birth certificate for 45 or 50 years from the hospital is ridiculous. Society today is too mobile for that. That is why we have the certified copy system for birth certificates which works to get a passport or a trusted traveler card (I have both). Given your standard, I could never qualify to be President because my "original" birth certificate system is missing, and even if I do somehow find it, they'd want to talk to the doctor who supervised my mother's delivery for me. Since he's dead now (the guy was in his 50's when he delivered me in the early 80's), they'll claim it's not a good enough and continue to challenge my "natural-born" status.
Previous attempts to "disqualify" Presidential candidates have focused on where one is actually born (For Senator McCain, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, other candidates have been born on military bases, and in the case of Barry Goldwater, he was born when Arizona was not a state but a territory, not on whether or not they have their "original papers".
The reason for the racism claim is the perception that only Obama has been subject to these sort of questioning of their "original papers". Others still that unfriended you likely perceived you in a negative light as in "you believe that sort of BS? I guess my perception of your intelligence is wrong".
People discount you as a gun owner immediately when you spout "birther" rhetoric or in similar kind, make a statement that Obama can sign an agreement or a treaty with the UN to ban guns unilaterally (I actually overheard this in conversation during the 2A rally on saturday.
I deal in reality and facts. Treaties require 2/3rd vote of the US Senate (making any gun ban a political impossibility), and both executive agreements and treaties require compliance with the constitution per
Reid v. Covert (1957).Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and the certified copy of his birth certificate can be used to get a United States passport as a born US citizen without having seperate ICE papers that naturalized citizens are required to. There are numerous reasons to question the current President's policies than just questioning where he is born. Don't take the "cheap shot" rather than directly questioning his policies.
