What would it take for you to revolt?

[ixtow]

Serious question - Outside of your own country/island/domain where is this place that is so much better?

Somewhere that buying my rights is much cheaper. I'll be dead if I stay here any longer.

Hell, I might still die at my destination, but at least I'll die on my feet instead of living on my knees. Life in the USA just isn't worth waking up for. I curse every sunrise wishing I had died in my sleep.

That's no way to live, and there are no alternatives here besides an absence of conscience. That is a trait I refuse to obtain.

Decent people can't survive in America. I've looked for a loophole in that my whole life. Ignorance of it is the only loophole... Once rid of it, it's not something one can get back.

I'm not saying it's 'much better.' Just that here, I have no hope. Hate dominates every aspect of life. I'm just not messed up enough to live with myself when I participate in the dementia called 'normal.'

It is the only alternative to suicide that I have not yet explored, so I'm giving it a try. America is an unbearable horror that tortures any who would aim higher than absolute degeneracy.

 

[Grapeshot]

Though the lamp burns low, some light is better than the alternative. Better to light one candle, than to................

Whatever you do, wherever you go, good luck and enjoy.

 

[carry for myself]

back in the day. i used to say "this place is a joke, im moving to Australia"...........then they destroyed all the gun rights there. now the good ole US of A is the only place left where i would actually have rights.

 

[Grapeshot]

back in the day. i used to say "this place is a joke, im moving to Australia"...........then they destroyed all the gun rights there. now the good ole US of A is the only place left where i would actually have rights.

You must have been an extremely precocious child back in that day - it has been over 20 years since Australia began to accelerate the already existing disarmament of their citizens.....how old were you then?

No one that was an adult then was surprised though, as Australia has generally always been a nation that did not fully embrace guns in the hands of their citizens. The Australian Commonwealth does not have nor has ever had constitutional authority over firearms. http://www.constitution.org/cons/australi.txt

You should look at the [strike]rights[/strike] duties of Swiss and especially Israeli citizens if you wish to find a government favorable to self-defense. They mandate it!

 

[carry for myself]

You must have been an extremely precocious child back in that day - it has been over 20 years since Australia began to accelerate the already existing disarmament of their citizens.....how old were you then?

No one that was an adult then was surprised though, as Australia has generally always been a nation that did not fully embrace guns in the hands of their citizens. The Australian Commonwealth does not have nor has ever had constitutional authority over firearms. http://www.constitution.org/cons/australi.txt

You should look at the [strike]rights[/strike] duties of Swiss and especially Israeli citizens if you wish to find a government favorable to self-defense. They mandate it!

well i know that in either Iceland or Greenland *not sure which* you must serve in the military and EVERY citizen owns a military issue rifle and must qualify *i think yearly* with them.

i was unknown to Australia's laws in my teens. only in the past 6 or 7 years did i realize how much rights they dont have.

 

[oak1971]

Ixtow hasn't realized that America is the last stand for freedom. We are the only constitutional republic in the world. As degenerate and degraded as our system has become, it still offers more protections than any place on earth. The solution is restoration not expatriation.

 

[carry for myself]

Ixtow hasn't realized that America is the last stand for freedom. We are the only constitutional republic in the world. As degenerate and degraded as our system has become, it still offers more protections than any place on earth. The solution is restoration not expatriation.

+1 and although "revolt" is a touchy subject. our country has done it before. numerous times. and im sure if uncle sam shoves we the people down the hill enough times.......i dont doubt that we the people will shove back eventually. just a question of why, how , when and where.

 

[oak1971]

+1 and although "revolt" is a touchy subject. our country has done it before. numerous times. and im sure if uncle sam shoves we the people down the hill enough times.......i dont doubt that we the people will shove back eventually. just a question of why, how , when and where.

"Violence is the last refuge....." I can't recall where that quote is from, but it brings to mind that our founders have given us all the tools we need to restore our Republic without violence, we should focus on peaceful, lawful methods to fix things.

 

[carry for myself]

"Violence is the last refuge....." I can't recall where that quote is from, but it brings to mind that our founders have given us all the tools we need to restore our Republic without violence, we should focus on peaceful, lawful methods to fix things.

highly agreed. i do not advocate or condone anyone who would use violence as a offense to a failing government. now violence to an assaulting government in self defense of ourselves, our rights and our lives.....thats another story and i pray that it never would come to that. as you stated we do have the tools and legal paths we can take and follow to restore our constitution to its glory. but no doubt if we started having armed military and government offing our citizens because they felt the right.......it would easily come to blows. *source revolutionary war, civil war*

any government that wants to harm the american people is in for a surprise.

a fake quote. supposed to be by Isoroku Yamamoto, actually not said but a good point "you cannot take the United States, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". not a real quote....but certainly true

 

[oak1971]

well i know that in either Iceland or Greenland *not sure which* you must serve in the military and EVERY citizen owns a military issue rifle and must qualify *i think yearly* with them.

i was unknown to Australia's laws in my teens. only in the past 6 or 7 years did i realize how much rights they dont have.

In Greenland, only licensed gun owners1 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Gun Owner Background Checks

An applicant for a firearm licence in Greenland must pass background checks which consider criminal and relationship records Guns in Greenland are regulated by the Ministry of Justice and the Chief Constable of Greenland. Guiding gun control legislation in Greenland is the Act on Control and Registration of Firearms in Greenland 1992
Source(s):
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region…

In Iceland, only licensed gun owners12 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Licensing Records

In Iceland, authorities maintain a record12 of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Civilian Gun Registration

In Iceland, the law requires12 that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register

http://www.gunpolicy.org

 

[carry for myself]

In Greenland, only licensed gun owners1 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Gun Owner Background Checks

An applicant for a firearm licence in Greenland must pass background checks which consider criminal and relationship records Guns in Greenland are regulated by the Ministry of Justice and the Chief Constable of Greenland. Guiding gun control legislation in Greenland is the Act on Control and Registration of Firearms in Greenland 1992
Source(s):
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region…

In Iceland, only licensed gun owners12 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Licensing Records

In Iceland, authorities maintain a record12 of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition.

Civilian Gun Registration

In Iceland, the law requires12 that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register

http://www.gunpolicy.org

maybe i confused myself and it was Switzerland as grapeshot had mentioned. i had watched a documentary on it a few years back. whichever country it is. its a good idea

 

[Grapeshot]

well i know that in either Iceland or Greenland *not sure which* you must serve in the military and EVERY citizen owns a military issue rifle and must qualify *i think yearly* with them.

i was unknown to Australia's laws in my teens. only in the past 6 or 7 years did i realize how much rights they dont have.

Your statements are inconsistant. Why then would you say, "this place is a joke, im moving to Australia ...........then they destroyed all the gun rights there."

Point of fact, they were already destroyed.

As to the other:

Iceland has NO military, has no conscription, spends 0 % of their GDP on this.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ic-iceland/mil-military

Greenland is NOT a country and has no conscription itself. Greenland is owned by the Kingdom of Denmark.
According to the Danish constitution all Danish male citizens must appear before a Conscript Board for assessment prior to military or civil service. This Constitutional Act shall apply to all parts of the Kingdom of Denmark.
http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/upload/application/pdf/0172b719/Constitution of Denmark.pdf

While service of some type is compulsory, it need not be military and if so only constitutes from 4 to 12 mo of basic training. Nothing denoting taking wepons home or annual qualifying.
http://www.ebco-beoc.eu/pdf/countryrepor/European Union without compulsory military service.pdf

Perhaps you'd like to do more research and cite your findings - that would be refreshing.

 

[carry for myself]

Your statements are inconsistant. Why then would you say, "this place is a joke, im moving to Australia ...........then they destroyed all the gun rights there."

Point of fact, they were already destroyed.

As to the other:

Iceland has NO military, has no conscription, spends 0 % of their GDP on this.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ic-iceland/mil-military

Greenland is NOT a country and has no conscription itself. Greenland is owned by the Kingdom of Denmark.
According to the Danish constitution all Danish male citizens must appear before a Conscript Board for assessment prior to military or civil service. This Constitutional Act shall apply to all parts of the Kingdom of Denmark.
http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/upload/application/pdf/0172b719/Constitution of Denmark.pdf

While service of some type is compulsory, it need not be military and if so only constitutes from 4 to 12 mo of basic training. Nothing denoting taking wepons home or annual qualifying.
http://www.ebco-beoc.eu/pdf/countryrepor/European Union without compulsory military service.pdf

Perhaps you'd like to do more research and cite your findings - that would be refreshing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P226 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place.[4] The ammunition is intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

nuff said?

 

[ixtow]

Ixtow hasn't realized that America is the last stand for freedom.

I do realize this. I also realize that it isn't going to happen. No one can be bothered to get off the couch.

We are the only constitutional republic in the world. As degenerate and degraded as our system has become, it still offers more protections than any place on earth. The solution is restoration not expatriation.

I'm not suggesting that what I'm doing is a solution. It's survival. I might die if I leave, I'm definitely going to die if I stay.

How many times does this have to happen before you realize that you're next?

 

[Grapeshot]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P226 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place.[4] The ammunition is intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

nuff said?

Nice try, but not even a cheap cigar. The Swiss CANNOT keep military ammo at home.
This was changed over 4 years ago. You have to read more than the first few sentences on a given subject. One little piece of the puzzle is hardly representative of the entire picture.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Special...eep_guns_at_home_but_not_ammo.html?cid=970614

This is a case of too little knowledge and trying to defend something that should not have been said in the first place.

 

[KYGlockster]

I would certainly not set back and watch as our government began etching amendments from our constitution, that would be a point when we all should stand up to the treason that was happening before our very eyes. Many of men died to protect that very document, and I'm sure they would not want the American people setting around doing nothing about the tyrants that try and strip us of such a document. We must remember that when the revolution began, the men were fighting their fellow countryman, because they all were British subjects, however they made a choice to stay loyal to Great Britain, and our founders decided to stay loyal to the new United States and our continental congress. This is very much the same as it would be today, and if military, etc. Stayed loyal to a socialist government then that would be there choice. I would rather be dead than lose my GOD given rights!!

 

[Daylen]

I do realize this. I also realize that it isn't going to happen. No one can be bothered to get off the couch.



I'm not suggesting that what I'm doing is a solution. It's survival. I might die if I leave, I'm definitely going to die if I stay.

How many times does this have to happen before you realize that you're next?

I'm reminded of a Heinlein quote: "I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

 

[carry for myself]

Nice try, but not even a cheap cigar. The Swiss CANNOT keep military ammo at home.
This was changed over 4 years ago. You have to read more than the first few sentences on a given subject. One little piece of the puzzle is hardly representative of the entire picture.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Special...eep_guns_at_home_but_not_ammo.html?cid=970614

This is a case of too little knowledge and trying to defend something that should not have been said in the first place.

i saw the documentary 4 years ago! this is a case of you being an *******. moderate delete kick me out whatever. point is the same. BACK OFF

 

[Daylen]

I would certainly not set back and watch as our government began etching amendments from our constitution, that would be a point when we all should stand up to the treason that was happening before our very eyes. Many of men died to protect that very document, and I'm sure they would not want the American people setting around doing nothing about the tyrants that try and strip us of such a document. We must remember that when the revolution began, the men were fighting their fellow countryman, because they all were British subjects, however they made a choice to stay loyal to Great Britain, and our founders decided to stay loyal to the new United States and our continental congress. This is very much the same as it would be today, and if military, etc. Stayed loyal to a socialist government then that would be there choice. I would rather be dead than lose my GOD given rights!!

So what about the removal of the bill of rights from the courts? Almost the only place in government where they can be used to check the powers of congress. This has been happening for some time.

 

[PistolPackingMomma]

I do realize this. I also realize that it isn't going to happen. No one can be bothered to get off the couch.



I'm not suggesting that what I'm doing is a solution. It's survival. I might die if I leave, I'm definitely going to die if I stay.

How many times does this have to happen before you realize that you're next?

Methinks you are going to die some day anyways, no matter where you are. You seem very concerned with dying here; is your current location really so bad that you legitimately fear for your life every day?