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Your thoughts on the Washington Arms Collectors

gogodawgs

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Metalhead47 wrote:
Trigger Dr wrote:
The Monroe show is about 40% of the Puyallup show, and 2 hours should be enough time to see the whole thing.

Non-members may not have a firearm with them at all, even unloaded, correct?

If I happen to find something my wife just can't live without, can I sign up right there with my CPL/C&R?
Correct. Yes you can join on the spot and your entry fee will be deducted from your membership. With a CPL no background check is needed as it is already done.
 

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gogodawgs wrote:
Metalhead47 wrote:
Trigger Dr wrote:
The Monroe show is about 40% of the Puyallup show, and 2 hours should be enough time to see the whole thing.

Non-members may not have a firearm with them at all, even unloaded, correct?

If I happen to find something my wife just can't live without, can I sign up right there with my CPL/C&R?
Correct. Yes you can join on the spot and your entry fee will be deducted from your membership. With a CPL no background check is needed as it is already done.
How does the show in Chehalis rate compared to pullyup? It's not a wac is it?
 

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Chehalis is small, actions tied open. see the entire thing in 45 minutes. Often find a good buy.
 

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Trigger Dr wrote:
Chehalis is small, actions tied open. see the entire thing in 45 minutes. Often find a good buy.
Is it wac? Dont need a membership there do you? Seems like as big as the pullyup one is people would be tempted to ask almost retail.
 

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gogodawgs wrote:
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What do you think about Judge Napolitano, Legal annalist for Fox.

Where Private Businesses are Public Accommodations and invites the public to come on to its property and the public does not shed any of their constitutional rights in doing so.

50 seconds in the video, remember the Starbucks issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP1Wgkh5MeE&feature=player_embedded

I studied Constitutional Law in college. I specifically studied 1st amendment law. The concept of 'public accomodation' and constitutional rights are something I have argued for all along. I agree with Judge Napolitano on his interpretation of the issue, and after McDonald, incorporation and many other lawsuits I believe we will see holstered firearms protected the same as we see a political conversation protected in a business that is clearly open to the public.

I know that the property rights purists will disagree, but they fail to differentiate between different properties; Private (abode), Public (government owned), Business (private with no public interaction, think warehouse, etc) and Businees (open to the public and requires public accomodation, from ADA rules to 1st and 2nd amendment protections)
Big Dave? Your view on the notion of 'public ccomodation'?
 

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gogodawgs wrote:
gogodawgs wrote:
BigDave wrote:
What do you think about Judge Napolitano, Legal annalist for Fox.

Where Private Businesses are Public Accommodations and invites the public to come on to its property and the public does not shed any of their constitutional rights in doing so.

50 seconds in the video, remember the Starbucks issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP1Wgkh5MeE&feature=player_embedded

I studied Constitutional Law in college. I specifically studied 1st amendment law. The concept of 'public accommodation' and constitutional rights are something I have argued for all along. I agree with Judge Napolitano on his interpretation of the issue, and after McDonald, incorporation and many other lawsuits I believe we will see holstered firearms protected the same as we see a political conversation protected in a business that is clearly open to the public.

I know that the property rights purists will disagree, but they fail to differentiate between different properties; Private (abode), Public (government owned), Business (private with no public interaction, think warehouse, etc) and Business (open to the public and requires public accommodation, from ADA rules to 1st and 2nd amendment protections)
Big Dave? Your view on the notion of 'public accommodation'?
Basically we see this the same, it is pretty basic if they are open to the public to conduct business thus a public accommodation.
Your home or place of abode is not considered in my view as open to the public and not a public accommodation.
A business area that is not open to the public for business would not be included as well.
 

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BigDave wrote:
gogodawgs wrote:
gogodawgs wrote:
BigDave wrote:
What do you think about Judge Napolitano, Legal annalist for Fox.

Where Private Businesses are Public Accommodations and invites the public to come on to its property and the public does not shed any of their constitutional rights in doing so.

50 seconds in the video, remember the Starbucks issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP1Wgkh5MeE&feature=player_embedded

I studied Constitutional Law in college. I specifically studied 1st amendment law. The concept of 'public accommodation' and constitutional rights are something I have argued for all along. I agree with Judge Napolitano on his interpretation of the issue, and after McDonald, incorporation and many other lawsuits I believe we will see holstered firearms protected the same as we see a political conversation protected in a business that is clearly open to the public.

I know that the property rights purists will disagree, but they fail to differentiate between different properties; Private (abode), Public (government owned), Business (private with no public interaction, think warehouse, etc) and Business (open to the public and requires public accommodation, from ADA rules to 1st and 2nd amendment protections)
Big Dave? Your view on the notion of 'public accommodation'?
Basically we see this the same, it is pretty basic if they are open to the public to conduct business thus a public accommodation.
Your home or place of abode is not considered in my view as open to the public and not a public accommodation.
A business area that is not open to the public for business would not be included as well.
Ok, interesting. I am surprised that some of the private property rights folks haven't beat us up on this yet!
 

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gsx1138 wrote:
I haven't been to one in over 15 years. Is there good deals on surplus items like ammo cans, BDU's, netting, para-chord, and all that good stuff besides guns?
Yes and no, you still need to be aware of prices. Sometimes there is good deals and others not so much.
 

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gogodawgs wrote:
gsx1138 wrote:
I haven't been to one in over 15 years. Is there good deals on surplus items like ammo cans, BDU's, netting, para-chord, and all that good stuff besides guns?
Yes and no, you still need to be aware of prices. Sometimes there is good deals and others not so much.
Thanks, I think I'll stick with buying online then.
 

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Poosharker wrote:
gsx1138 wrote:
Thanks, I think I'll stick with buying online then.
;)


You'll see me constantly on the phone web checking out prices at the those places....many vendors aren't very happy about that. :)
Won't get good deals buying online anymore... at least out of state.

Stupid 8.3% sales tax. I ended up paying an extra $100 for a pistol because of that... I bought the pistol RIGHT after the law went into effect. :cuss:
 

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killchain wrote:
Won't get good deals buying online anymore... at least out of state.

Stupid 8.3% sales tax. I ended up paying an extra $100 for a pistol because of that... I bought the pistol RIGHT after the law went into effect. :cuss:
Are you talking mad???!?!?!? Online is the place to be!!!!! Even with shipping still cheaper than with sales tax. Buying in store is only for the impulse people!
 

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Poosharker wrote:
killchain wrote:
Won't get good deals buying online anymore... at least out of state.

Stupid 8.3% sales tax. I ended up paying an extra $100 for a pistol because of that... I bought the pistol RIGHT after the law went into effect. :cuss:
Are you talking mad???!?!?!? Online is the place to be!!!!! Even with shipping still cheaper than with sales tax. Buying in store is only for the impulse people!
How do you find an FFL to receive the weapon? Do gun stores do that is it someone else?
 

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killchain wrote:
Poosharker wrote:
gsx1138 wrote:
Thanks, I think I'll stick with buying online then.
;)


You'll see me constantly on the phone web checking out prices at the those places....many vendors aren't very happy about that. :)
Won't get good deals buying online anymore... at least out of state.

Stupid 8.3% sales tax. I ended up paying an extra $100 for a pistol because of that... I bought the pistol RIGHT after the law went into effect. :cuss:
Sales tax on something purchased out of state?
I thought you just had to pay the Transfer fee to the dealer.
Was the tax on the gun itself or on the transfer fee?
 

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The use tax is to be collected at time of transfer, by the FFL. It is a tangible product (even from out of state) it is taxed, since it is not officially "sold" until the FFL transfers the firearm to the new owner.

I have a buddy who works for DOR, as a tax specialist (he's also a CC'er, and as of this weekend, an OC'er!!!). He went into great detail on this, and they know there is a major lack of compliance (which according to him, will be getting some attention.... **warning FFL's and secret shoppers or audits **)

Even gun show purchases are taxable... But it's up to the purchaser to pay the tax on their own. Example, same DOR buddy went to the Centralia gun show with me. Ended up trading his XD9 for an XD40 and paid $50... He has to pay tax on that $50, and he will (moral obligations because of his job)..

I am lucky I have low morals...
 

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massivedesign wrote:
The use tax is to be collected at time of transfer, by the FFL. It is a tangible product (even from out of state) it is taxed, since it is not officially "sold" until the FFL transfers the firearm to the new owner.

I have a buddy who works for DOR, as a tax specialist (he's also a CC'er, and as of this weekend, an OC'er!!!). He went into great detail on this, and they know there is a major lack of compliance (which according to him, will be getting some attention.... **warning FFL's and secret shoppers or audits **)

Even gun show purchases are taxable... But it's up to the purchaser to pay the tax on their own. Example, same DOR buddy went to the Centralia gun show with me. Ended up trading his XD9 for an XD40 and paid $50... He has to pay tax on that $50, and he will (moral obligations because of his job)..

I am lucky I have low morals...
I briefly looked through the "use tax" before (came up in another thread) and didn't see anything that would have it apply to firearms. I remember something to the effect of some cleverly deceiving "term of art" usage that made it appear it applied to a lot more things then it actually did. Ill take a more thorough look (just for my own fun/curiosity I'm no expert on the matter and have no reason to doubt your friend.)

Did he say what part of the rcw for the "use tax" linked it to firearms?



EDIT: I found the other thread I was talking about
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=42586&forum_id=55&highlight=use+tax
 

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The "use tax" seems to be an excise tax relating to the exercise of certain state privileges. (like I said I'm no expert and might be missing something.)

Could you ask your friend to take a look at this break down of the tax and give his opinion I cant find where it is applied to firearms.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=82.12.020

RCW 82.12.020
use tax imposed

(1)There is hereby levied and there shall be collected from every person in this state a tax or excise for the privilege of using within this state as a consumer any:

(a) Article of tangible personal property purchased at retail, or acquired by lease, gift, repossession, or bailment, or extracted or produced or manufactured by the person so using the same, or otherwise furnished to a person engaged in any business taxable under RCW 82.04.280 (2) or (7), including tangible personal property acquired at a casual or isolated sale, and including by-products used by the manufacturer thereof, except as otherwise provided in this chapter, irrespective of whether the article or similar articles are manufactured or are available for purchase within this state (emphasis mine)





RCW 82.04.280
(2)building, repairing or improving any street, place, road, highway, easement, right-of-way, mass public transportation terminal or parking facility, bridge, tunnel, or trestle which is owned by a municipal corporation or political subdivision of the state or by the United States and which is used or to be used, primarily for foot or vehicular traffic including mass transportation vehicles of any kind and including any readjustment, reconstruction or relocation of the facilities of any public, private or cooperatively owned utility or railroad in the course of such building, repairing or improving, the cost of which readjustment, reconstruction, or relocation, is the responsibility of the public authority whose street, place, road, highway, easement, right-of-way, mass public transportation terminal or parking facility, bridge, tunnel, or trestle is being built, repaired or improved


(7)engaging in activities which bring a person within the definition of consumer contained in RCW 82.04.190(6); as to such persons, the amount of tax on such business is equal to the gross income of the business multiplied by the rate of 0.484 percent.


RCW 82.04.190

(6) Any person engaged in the business of constructing, repairing, decorating, or improving new or existing buildings or other structures under, upon, or above real property of or for the United States, any instrumentality thereof, or a county or city housing authority created pursuant to chapter 35.82 RCW, including the installing or attaching of any article of tangible personal property therein or thereto, whether or not such personal property becomes a part of the realty by virtue of installation; also, any person engaged in the business of clearing land and moving earth of or for the United States, any instrumentality thereof, or a county or city housing authority created pursuant to chapter 35.82 RCW. Any such person shall be a consumer within the meaning of this subsection in respect to tangible personal property incorporated into, installed in, or attached to such building or other structure by such person, except that consumer does not include any person engaged in the business of constructing, repairing, decorating, or improving new or existing buildings or other structures under, upon, or above real property of or for the United States, or any instrumentality thereof, if the investment project would qualify for sales and use tax deferral under chapter 82.63 RCW if undertaken by a private entity
 
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