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arrested for open carry in police station

onus

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Is it legal to open carry in a police station in Michigan ?

[video=youtube;xfYXKBta47s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfYXKBta47s&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 

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you know, twasn't the brightest thing, IMHO...in today's jittery climate, to walk into a police station with mask and semi-auto wrapped across your chest...

then to tell the nice LEs they can't do that in their own facility...that was precious...

ah the shock and awe of you tube and stupid people..

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It depends on the department, and it depends on where you are in the station. Some allow it in the lobby area, but not if you are going to an interior office or holding cell area. Kalamazoo allows it in the lobby, but nowhere else in the building. Don't know what Dearborn's policy is, but being a highly liberal area I can guess.
 

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perhaps i misjudged the particpant's video...

let's see here...wearing ski mask covering everything but your eyes, long gun strapped to your chest; w/other bloke wearing a middler eastern traditional style keffiyeh head garb, one agitated and fired up individual mumbling they feared for their lives during what they perceive is a bogus police traffic stop, so theywalk into the dearborn mi police station to discuss their cause de celebrate....

and repeatedly fail to respond to police orders...

that about it...?

ya, this faired as i would have imagined...and i am quite sure the traffic stop was the least of their judical worries or charges...

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i am quite sure the traffic stop was the least of their judical worries or charges...
Dearborn police charged them with resisting, breach of peace, and failure to comply. The PD kept their guns and their cameras.
 

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Dearborn police charged them with resisting, breach of peace, and failure to comply. The PD kept their guns and their cameras.
may the warmth of an early MI sun shine on your shoulders Griffin...you have just made my day with quite the chuckle...

thanks

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So, did someone take down the Video? All I have is a black square and no links to anything.
 

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How did the video get on UTube if the Police kept their cameras?

I suppose there are some answers like live brodcast, or the Police put it on there. Don't know, and not trying to make a point, just asking the question.

Lucky they didn't get shot. I'm guessing that didn't end the way they envisioned it.
 

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How did the video get on UTube if the Police kept their cameras?

I suppose there are some answers like live brodcast, or the Police put it on there. Don't know, and not trying to make a point, just asking the question.

Lucky they didn't get shot. I'm guessing that didn't end the way they envisioned it.
most who push the envelope and video their escapades have automatic uplink to the cloud as a permanent safeguard of their activities.

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DeSchaine

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Dearborn police charged them with resisting, breach of peace, and failure to comply. The PD kept their guns and their cameras.
We still haven't figured out if that area of the Dearborn PD station is/was posted a Victim Zone. If it wasn't, then IMO, it'd be difficult to make those charges stick since the PD had no real reason to disarm them in the first place.
 

Fallschirjmäger

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Dearborn police charged them with resisting, breach of peace, and failure to comply. The PD kept their guns and their cameras.
Yeah, that really doesn't square up much with Onus' clickbait thread title "arrested for open carry in police station" does it?
Sumthin's phicky.
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- 'cause I'm not going to use a naughty word where young innocent minds an be exposed to it.
 

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from the freepress...:

James Baker had body armor on and a semi-automatic pistol strapped to his hip as he slung a short-barreled rifle over his chest and pulled a black ski mask over his head. His buddy, Brandon Vreeland, a fellow open carry advocate, also had on body armor but left his gun in the car, instead bringing along cameras to videotape the encounter that was about to take place.

On Monday, the Dearborn Police Department and a statewide open carry group condemned the two men’s action as irresponsible and reckless.


“I find this behavior totally unacceptable and irresponsible," Police Chief Ronald Haddad said in a statement Monday afternoon. "This is not a 2nd Amendment issue for me. We had members of the public in our lobby that fled in fear for their safety as these men entered our building."


Tom Lambert, president of Michigan Open Carry Inc., a gun-rights group, issued a statement supporting the police handling of the incident.


"Let us be clear, Michigan Open Carry Inc. in no way supports the actions of these individuals," Lambert said. "It is our belief that their actions were reckless and primarily designed to draw attention and a response."

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2017/02/06/dearborn-police-station-gun-rifle/97544076/

or
http://fox17online.com/2017/02/06/2-armed-open-carry-advocates-arrested-inside-police-station/

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TXOC16

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I agree with both of the statements in bold text above, but that is a strawman. The question is not whether the actions were "reckless", "designed to draw attention and a response" or "irresponsible". The question is, was it illegal? I would have never done anything like this, because it is stupid and makes gun owners look stupid and reckless, but is it a matter for police action and arrest? I am not familiar with Michigan law, so I guess I'll have to rely on those that are, but so far, nobody is asking that question. Everybody is too busy getting on the band wagon and condemning the actions, which I agree are egregious, to address the real issue. The overreach of government is usually accompanied by some side issue that they use to justify an action that has no basis in law and they use the outrage over that side issue as a substitute for the rule of law. Not every outrageous or reckless act is illegal. Notice my signature line below, about "necessity".
Oh, and such the poor Liberal you would make as you clearly do not at all understand that emotions, opinions, and "feelings" are what now entirely determine the acceptability of one's behavior and actions, whereas actual constitutionality and/or legality are subjugated to mere footnotes, if, as you have so astutely noted, they are even mentioned at all.

Carry on.
 

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... but put the shoe on the other foot ~ these idiots breaking into your home...i know my reaction if they come into my home dressed and armed in that fashion and trust me there would not be any type of dialogue whatsoever!!

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added...please re-read my posts...never said it was illegal!
Apple vs. orange.
 

ViperGTS19801

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These guys are idiots.

In a country where we see mentally ill sociopaths murdering dozens of people in the name of their religious beliefs, or over a domestic dispute, or because they hate gay people, or because they hate the police, or because they hate everyone, these flying ******** morons dress up like stereotypical terrorists, carry stereotypical terrorist weapons, and go walking into a police department and are surprised when they're treated like, oh I don't know TERRORISTS? This isn't someone walking down the street with a holstered sidearm on their hip, or even with a rifle slung across their back - this is a couple of knuckleheads with no common sense. Every time some nutjob goes off and kills a bunch of people for whatever reason, we ask ourselves, how can we prevent this kind of thing from happening again? The answer is to observe, report, and react to suspicious activity - and frankly, I would have drawn down on these jackwagons the moment they came walking through the door, too.

I am as stout a supported of open carry as you can find - this crap is NOT open carry. I also believe that there is an effective way to use the practice to achieve an end...and then there's just sheer stupidity.

This is risking a catastrophe.

******* imbeciles. What an embarrassment.
 
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That would be a shame; it's my favorite Mediterranean dessert.

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touche and well played

but you should plan a visit to the area as we have an absolutely outstanding Turkish and another fabulous Middle Eastern restaurant with those delightful and fluffy desserts.

and for those forum member's i'll pay for your dolma, dessert and hot tea, sipped from your glass.

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