This discussion was about one issue, possession of a gun in your car on school property. You were wrong about that and you are wrong about my "favorable lean" on this bill, in its present form. You can't just ignore the things you are wrong about by now saying that there are other things wrong with this bill, too. That has been discussed by most of the other people here and I don't know that anybody will disagree about that. If this bill doesn't change drastically before it hits the floor, I will never support it, but not because it bans guns in cars on school property. I would never make a fool of myself by claiming it does when it obviously doesn't. Arguing about something so patently wrong just diminishes the things that are really wrong about this bill. You lose all credibility.
It wouldn't take much to make this a good permitless concealed carry bill. There is plenty of time to get that done. This is not a "take it or leave it" process. Everything is negotiable. If changes can't be made, there are plenty of people and plenty of time to work to stop it. I don't want to "throw out the baby with the bathwater". Besides, its too early in the process to complain about it, now. By the time it gets to committee, your complaints will be forgotten. I see this bill as a opportunity not a danger. I can much more imagine it passing after a few changes than I can imagine it passing the way it is now.
Who in the General Assembly, will vote for it? Will the antigun people vote for it? No. Them vote for unlicensed people carrying guns, hell no. What about progun people who want unlicensed carry. No. They're like us and we don't like it. The only people that will vote for this bill in its current form are legislators who are indebted to the NRA or want NRA help in their reelection this November. There are lots of them around, but only one of them on the House Judiciary Committee and I have an appointment with him on Thursday.
The democrats are trying to save their majority in the house. Do you really think they want this tied to them?
I simply brought up one of the many things wrong with this bill , along with signage etc.
If I have no cedibility with you, you are the only person in Ky that has hsd any dealings with me, or knows me, including senators and House reps that I have no credibility with.
Which is fine.
You stated FOL signage doesnt bother you. " I can see a no gun sign and afford 25 dollars".
You Im gathering will support this bill if it includes FOL and revamping of Reciprosity.
I and a huge number of gun owners in KY will not.
Ill state this simply so my " credibility" isnt damaged further.
If this bill does ANYTHING other than simply remove the need for permits to CC , I and every soul I can bring to bear will fight it to the Gov desk.
And do our utmost to boot out of office any legislator that supported it win lose or draw.
I had hoped to see the day we gpt rid of permits, but not by further compromise.
Heck I know Dem senators that would happily sign permitless carry if not for the other changes such as signage being in this bill.
I usually agree with you. This time sadly I cant. Not on this bill unless everything else but permitless carry is removed from it.