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Gary Johnson can fix the America the two party system has broken.

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I dont think he can.

In order to dramatically change America we need at least 50% of congress to be libertarians and at least 50% of the supreme court.

Thats not going to happen.
 

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I dont think he can.

In order to dramatically change America we need at least 50% of congress to be libertarians and at least 50% of the supreme court.

Thats not going to happen.

I don't know. If you get someone in there who really isn't aiming to play the game but to make real change I think public pressure can go a very long way.
 

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I don't know. If you get someone in there who really isn't aiming to play the game but to make real change I think public pressure can go a very long way.

As of right now I dont think its possible with simply a libertarian president.

Right now only about 10% or less of Americans are libertarians.

Congress has only a handfull of libertarians.

The senate has maybe 1.

The supreme court has maybe 1 or 2 who view the constutution in a manner consistent with libertarian viewpoints.

The vast majority of congress today is big government spenders and so are their constituents.

If Gary Johnson was some how magically elected president the only thing he could possibly affect is foreign policy but even that might be a stretch.
 

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Idea?

Gary Johnson is really someone with terrific views. He would be excellent as a President, but alas, he will NOT win. He was originally a Republican, so how about this as an idea? Let's work to elect Romney, but let's make it known to Mitt that we want a "significant" role for Gary in his administration. I don't just mean token, but significant. Remember, we can't get major things accomplished overnight, but perhaps in 10 years with small consistent steps, we can.
 

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As of right now I dont think its possible with simply a libertarian president.

Right now only about 10% or less of Americans are libertarians.

Congress has only a handfull of libertarians.

The senate has maybe 1.

None of that means anything to me. I don't vote along any party lines. I'm not voting for a Libertarian. I'm voting for a man.

Gary Johnson is really someone with terrific views. He would be excellent as a President, but alas, he will NOT win. He was originally a Republican, so how about this as an idea? Let's work to elect Romney, but let's make it known to Mitt that we want a "significant" role for Gary in his administration. I don't just mean token, but significant. Remember, we can't get major things accomplished overnight, but perhaps in 10 years with small consistent steps, we can.

This is the kind of back-room "politics" that make me sick. I would never make a deal to get "my guy" a good position. Romney is a nightmare and I can't inflicted him on this country voluntarily.
 

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Unfortunately, a third party candidate would have little chance of winning the election. In a way, a vote for any third party candidate is a vote for Obama. The next President will be appointing at least one justice to the Supreme Court, probably two or three. The thought of Obama appointing more Supreme Court Justices should be enough to make any freedom loving American vote for Romney. Supreme Court Justice are appointed for life and having the wrong folks appointed could have a devastating effect on our rights and laws.
 

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In order to dramatically change America we need at least 50% of congress to be libertarians and at least 50% of the supreme court.

Actually, we don't.

All executive power in the federal government rests solely with the President.

Congress can pass all the laws they wish, and override the President's veto to make it official, but they can't make him enforce such laws.

All spending bills must originate in the House; the Congress can authorize trillions in spending, but only the President can actually write the check.

All the courts from SCOTUS on down can issue rulings and warrants, but only the chief executive has authority to act on those. If the President refuses to lock someone up just because the congress and courts say so, there's nothing they can do to force him to act. Likewise, if he decides to free everyone convicted of victimless drug or firearms charges, the courts may jump up and down, and the congress may rage, but they can't stop him.

We often hear about this or that "Constitutional crisis". Pffft. We haven't seen a real constitutional crises since Marbury v. Madison, and with few exceptions everyone just rolled over and accepted that one.
 

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I'll say this....if Romney loses I think there will be a MAJOR change in the Republican party and system.

It will be two elections in a row that the GOP nominated and ran a very very moderate republican and lost to an ultra liberal socialist.

I believe the Tea Party / Libertarian wing of the party will finally break free and no longer support these candidates like Romney and Mcain and maybe even go full 3rd party.
 

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Unfortunately, a third party candidate would have little chance of winning the election. In a way, a vote for any third party candidate is a vote for Obama. The next President will be appointing at least one justice to the Supreme Court, probably two or three. The thought of Obama appointing more Supreme Court Justices should be enough to make any freedom loving American vote for Romney. Supreme Court Justice are appointed for life and having the wrong folks appointed could have a devastating effect on our rights and laws.

Ha you think Romney is "freedom loving"? Incredible.

If Johnson looses this election it will be because Romney stole so many of his votes. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama!
 

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Ha you think Romney is "freedom loving"? Incredible.

If Johnson looses this election it will be because Romney stole so many of his votes. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama!

I did not say Romney was freedom loving. Romney would not have been my first choice. But because a third party doesn't really have a chance of winning the election, Romney is the only choice, unless you want Obama appointing Supreme Court Justices and creating havoc for the next four years. Unfortunately, because most Americans have never even heard of Gary Johnson, he doesn't have a chance of winning this election...Maybe you don't like it but that's reality. A president is only in for no more than two four year terms. A Supreme Court Justice is appointed for life. A president is limited to damage he can do in his term because of congress. I'm sure that if Romney is elected, he will not do anything against 2A rights while in office, knowing who put him there. Can't say the same for Obama. Before anyone says it, Yes, this is picking the lesser of two evils but sometimes in life it's necessary to do that...especially when it comes to politics.
 

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I am a libertarian but many libertarians are very short sighted and immature. They want instant gratification and cant see beyond tomorrow.

They believe electing Ron Paul or Gary Johnson will instantly bring about massive and radical change to the politics of America. Its just not a reality.

In regards to Romney vs Obama and the SCOTUS, just remember that Ruth Ginsbgerg is 90 yrs old and has cancer. She will die or leave the bench in the next 4 years. That means we have a HUGE opportunity to take a seat back IF.........IF.........IF.....and ONLY IF we have a conservative president to nominate the next justice.

Romney needs to be that person, not Obama.

A vote for Johnson for symbolic purposes at this time would be a monumental waste and missed opportunity to get a conservative justice for the next 40 years.
 

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Man you anybody but Obama types sure are gullible. Mittens is a joke.. I dislike Obummer, but Mittens is a white copy of Obama. I find it funny that people harp on Obama for being Muslim at one point, yet like Mittens who belongs to a cult. I find it funny people will vote Mittens to get rid of Obamacare, yet Mittens designed it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/09/mitt-romney-obamacare-_n_1868385.html Mittens admits he would keep parts of the law in effect.. Of course he would. I find it funny the only thing Mittens has to run on is the fear of Obama... Not that he is better, or has better ideas... Hes running on your fear... lol

The best part is how the GOP treated Ron Paul Republicans like crap... Now they are begging us to vote for Mittens... I see it all over the web.. Funny what part of we are not voting for Mittens didn't you get...

Obama will win in Nov.. The GOP dropped the ball hard this time... I'm hopping it will fracture the GOP, and we can finely end this 2 party rule.

Whats sad is when Mittens loses in Nov. They will blame Ron Paul... Not the RINO's that have been destroying this country just as bad as the Dems... Or the GOP's cheating the whole election cycle... Oh well... At least when Obama wins we can try again in 2016.
 

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Unfortunately, a third party candidate would have little chance of winning the election. In a way, a vote for any third party candidate is a vote for Obama.

Can you please give some evidence that this is so? It's not like the incumbent automagically wins if there's no clear majority. If you agree that the majority of Americans don't want Obama, then why shouldn't they vote third party? The majority of Americans also don't want Romney. What's the point of voting for someone that most of us don't want in office, just to keep out someone else that most of us don't want in office?
 

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Again, Republicans seem to think they get to lay claim to the votes of people who give a crap about liberty. The reality is that they would be just as justified in claiming that a vote for a write-in, independent, or third-party candidate is a vote for Romney.

Dear Republicans,
You have never had my vote. You have never been my fall-back. You're equally as detestable as the "other" guys.
Love,
Me
 
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