mall open carry

[Tomahawk]

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So checking your gun in your luggage would satisfy the requirement of turning it over to the conductor, since he is presumably in charge of securing checked luggage. But Amtrak says no guns even in checked baggage. Their rule is more restrictive than the federal law. Am I reading this right?

 

[longwatch]

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Now that you put it that way Mike, I think you are right. We just have to figure out if disobeying Amtrak, Greyhound's or any other common carrier's policies is a criminal violation. I say that because I'm not sure if Amtrak is a private company or some sort of quasi government entity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak

 

[Mike]

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longwatch wrote:

Now that you put it that way Mike, I think you are right. We just have to figure out if disobeying Amtrak, Greyhound's or any other common carrier's policies is a criminal violation. I say that because I'm not sure if Amtrak is a private company or some sort of quasi government entity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak

Yes, but there has to be a statute or published regulation in teh CFR making it a crime. If you can find it, then my trip to Dsneyworld is off!

 

[Mike]

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Tomahawk wrote:

So checking your gun in your luggage would satisfy the requirement of turning it over to the conductor, since he is presumably in charge of securing checked luggage. But Amtrak says no guns even in checked baggage. Their rule is more restrictive than the federal law. Am I reading this right?

Right, but carrying your gun on Amtrak appears to have no criminal penalty at federal law at all.

 

[kparker]

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Right, but carrying your gun on Amtrak appears to have no criminal penalty at federal law at all.

So who's going to volunteer to be a test case? :-(

 

[Mike]

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kparker wrote:

Right, but carrying your gun on Amtrak appears to have no criminal penalty at federal law at all.

So who's going to volunteer to be a test case? :-(

Huh? Since you know you might be asked to de-board the train if you OC (hopefully at the next stop), obvioulsy we are talking about concealed cary, and the exclusionary rule under the 4th Amendment would apply just in case there were a criminal charge. There would be no test case, and no reason to create one.

 

[longwatch]

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If someone gets made by the Amtrak Police (I just learned they have their own police force) what happens? I don't think I'd want to be that guy. Looking at some of the police forums Amtrak also makes no exception for LEOs covered under the LEOSA.

 

[Mike]

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OK, so again, teh question is, what crime at federal law does one commit by carrying on AMTRAK, if any.

 

[kparker]

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Mike, that's why I referred to "test case". There's a difference between bringing a firearm on board (open carry or concealed) as a legal recognized practice, and concealed carry meaning you were discrete about carrying and managed to get from point A to point B w/o Amtrak police or anyone else finding out.

 

[PackininVB]

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In VA you have to be asked to leave for carrying, and then refuse, and then wait for them to call the police to arrest you for tresspassing as a LEO would have to arrest you adn charge you with the crime.

 

[PackininVB]

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In a mall that is.

So if they say that you cant carry a weapon, explain that it is the law that you can, adn if they tell you to leave then just say ok. There would be more problems if you appeared to be an immature person with a firearm by arguing with them for asking you to leave.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

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And this is different from flying on airlines?

 

[vermonter]

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Why would anyone want to live in a state where it could be a misdemeanor or felony to CCW in a mall? In Vermont there is a very SMALL sign at the U Mall, but all they can do is ask you to leave. If you don't you could receive a trespass warning or a PD escort out, But NO criminal charges just for ignoring the sign. I don't OC at the mall anyway. No crime epidemic up here!

 

[VAopencarry]

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vermonter wrote:

Why would anyone want to live in a state where it could be a misdemeanor or felony to CCW in a mall? In Vermont there is a very SMALL sign at the U Mall, but all they can do is ask you to leave. If you don't you could receive a trespass warning or a PD escort out, But NO criminal charges just for ignoring the sign. I don't OC at the mall anyway. No crime epidemic up here!

What kind of question is that? Maybe because people have other concerns in their lives that are more important then if they can carry in a mall or not. Like a job and family. Why would someone want to live in a state that elects a Socialist Senator?

 

[Smurfologist]

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VAopencarry wrote:

vermonter wrote:

Why would anyone want to live in a state where it could be a misdemeanor or felony to CCW in a mall? In Vermont there is a very SMALL sign at the U Mall, but all they can do is ask you to leave. If you don't you could receive a trespass warning or a PD escort out, But NO criminal charges just for ignoring the sign. I don't OC at the mall anyway. No crime epidemic up here!

What kind of question is that? Maybe because people have other concerns in their lives that are more important then if they can carry in a mall or not. Like a job and family. Why would someone want to live in a state that elects a Socialist Senator?

Wow VAopencarry, that was harsh; you should apologize. Just kidding!

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