What is a pdr?
Public Disclosure of Records, like this one:
http://www.seattle.gov/law/pdr/forms/PDRRequestForm.pdf
What is a pdr?
Question? who the hell is "carl"? that McGinn keeps referencing in the article? he's not the seattle city attorney, who do I PDR? the mayors office or the Seattle Attorney?
Does an attorney not working for the City Attorney's office have the authority to issue an opinion for police enforcment? McGinn referred to him as "the attorney in my office" is this "carl" a city employee?
Carl still has not answered my request for a Cite and reasoning for how the Cite will work on the issue of private sales.
Kiro Radio was mentioning 500 dollar fines all day yesterday. I thought about calling in and telling them that so far the city has not answered me on how the Cite given in the article will stop people. Even if it is enforcable on a street or sidewalk. Other public areas are game as well as private parking lots. This is clearly just a way to scare people into not going next time.
I guess my main issue with all of this is how they keep saying they need to stop this because they don't know who is getting the firearms. What ever happened in this country to innocent until proven guilty so to speak. They should assume that all transactions are leagal and to people leagal to own, until proven otherwise. At whatever point if it ever happened that the laws infact got changed for back ground checks in the right process. If unlawful sales happened then they could and should deal with it.
I don't see this much differnt than Amberg trying to make a motion and walking out. It's all people of athority trying to displace their ideas on the public without doing their duty to make changes in the correct manor.
It depends.
If you go there for the purpose of reselling, you are engaged in a business, even if you were to eventually lose money.
But if you are going there to enhance your personal collection, at whatever price, you are not engaged in a business, even if you were to eventually resell and make a huge windfall profit.
It comes down to intent, and the burden of proof would be on the party claiming you are doing it as a business.
The city only needs to confuse, intimidate and scare away the sellers. The sellers are far less knowledgeable and ignorant of the laws and will more easily capitulate to the city and SPD.
What is a pdr?
At Seattle's gun buyback in late January, gun dealers showed up offering cash for weapons while people waited in line. Mayor Mike McGinn says that will not happen again."I can assure you that the next time that we do a gun buyback, and we do intend to do another one, we can shut it down," McGinn tells Seattle's Morning News.
The impromptu gun bazaar on the the sidewalk near the buyback location upset McGinn and other leaders who organized the buyback, which offered gift certificates in exchange for unwanted firearms.
The mayor said on Friday that he investigated whether the city had the authority to prevent the private gun buys. McGinn tells KIRO Radio the city can issue a $500 fine for people doing business in city right of way without a license (SMC 15.17.).
"We can prevent that gun bazaar the next time. I went to my attorney in my office and I said, 'Carl, next time we do one of these, what's my authority to stop it? If I don't have authority, I'm going to ask the city council to get authority.' And he found me some authority and we're going to shut it down next time," said McGinn.
McGinn is still defending gun buyback programs. He acknowledged that the buybacks alone won't make a significant dent in gun violence. But he points out that many gun accidents happen at home.
"We just took 719 weapons off the street that people didn't want in their homes."
The mayor said he also supports efforts in the state legislature to require background checks on all gun sales.
found this today: http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scri...=HITOFF&l=20&p=1&u=/~public/code1.htm&r=1&f=G
[h=3]Seattle Municipal Code[/h]Information retrieved February 10, 2013 3:12 PM
Title 10 - HEALTH AND SAFETY
Chapter 10.02 - CIVIL EMERGENCIESSMC 10.02.020 Authority of Mayor to issue certain orders.
which has had this update:
http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scri...ITOFF&d=ORDF&p=1&u=/~public/code1.htm&r=0&f=S
10.02.020 - Authority of Mayor to issue certain orders(( . ))
A. Upon the proclamation of a civil emergency by the Mayor, and during the existence of such civil emergency, the Mayor may, in a form that meets the requirements of Section 10.02.025, make and proclaim any or all of the following orders:
(( H )) 8 . An order closing to the public any or all public places including streets, alleys, public ways, schools, parks, beaches, amusement areas, and public buildings;
(( I )) 9 . An order prohibiting the carrying or possession of a firearm or any instrument which is capable of producing bodily harm and which is carried or possessed with intent to use the same to cause such harm, provided that any such order shall not apply to peace officers or military personnel engaged in the performance of their official duties;
Here is my idea...
Next time Seattle or any city announces a buy back program, we "The People" announce our own buyback program a day earlier and promote the hell out of it. If we have to, rent a empty lot, get a flea market permit ($90) and buy till funds are exhausted.