I would imagine that this has been sold as a requirement to ensure that our LEOs stay in compliance with the recent court orders. They're probably being told that without this law, our LEOs will probably end up doing things that will get cases thrown out and put criminals out on the streets.They are bulldog determined on the strangest things this year.:uhoh:
I would imagine that this has been sold as a requirement to ensure that our LEOs stay in compliance with the recent court orders. They're probably being told that without this law, our LEOs will probably end up doing things that will get cases thrown out and put criminals out on the streets.
Just a guess.
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URGENT! Frightening bills to allow secret GPS tracking in Virgina!Update 4: The senate version has passed, unanimously. It looks like the House version has not but is still in play, but the House has adjourned for the day. Unless the House rejects both versions, it looks like this will become Virginia law within the next day or so.
Considering that the House version passed out of committee on a unanimous vote, I think we’re buggered.
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Update 2: I should have done this from the start, but I’d like to ask anyone who reads this and has a blog to help spread the word. If we can get enough Virginians contacting their representatives before these bills come up for a vote, maybe we can kill them by a significant margin. The governor is the one who requested the measure, so if either bill passes both houses there is little doubt that he will sign. There is an “emergency” provision in each bill that specifically states it becomes effective immediately, rather than July 1 like most bills.
We discussed this here http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...acking-Guidelines-(introduced-AFTER-crossover!) after it was introduced with highly unusual timing. Will anyone in the GA raise that issue? I have donut holes that I am willing to put up in the event feels like losing a wager.
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considering that *both* bills passed, what chance is there at anything negatively impacting their enactment, other than a veto of course? isn't it, essentially, a "done deal", especially with the bills being introduced at the request of the governor?
Seeing as how both bills were introduced at the request of the Governor, I doubt that he would veto either of them should one or the other pass both houses.
The question(s) are going to be:
1) which version does the Governor believe most closely matches what he wanted? (Come on, skid, they were word-for-word identical bills! You are really saying which house and which legislotor does he love more.) (Why, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.)
2) Who is going to be able to get past the secrecy of the legislation once it is enacted and discover that they were victimized by the denial of civil rights when a GPS search warrant was used to collect evidence that resulted in a conviction? Appeals that one's conviction was improper because the law that allowed the cops to secure and serve a search warrant was somehow illegal are somewhat difficult to phrase. I imagine they are going to be even more difficult to win.
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....What do you think this is? A republic, you think you should have inalienable rights (whatever in the h*ll those are)?
Seeing as how both bills were introduced at the request of the Governor, I doubt that he would veto either of them should one or the other pass both houses.
The question(s) are going to be:
1) which version does the Governor believe most closely matches what he wanted?
stay safe.
Law enforcement, in particular, are scrambling to determine what constitutes legal use of GPS tracking technology. A couple of bills are floating around the Virginia Senate and House to remedy the lack of legal guidelines around this new technology. Recently, one of these bills gained some traction in the form of sponsoring by Sen. Bryce Reeves (R-Spotsylvania).
Reeves, a former police detective, backed the bill which explicitly requires police to obtain a warrant from a judge or magistrate before attaching a GPS tracking device to a suspect’s vehicle. “It just holds law enforcement accountable for that,” explained Reeves. The original bill was significantly revised by members of the Senate Courts of Justice committee. These changes take into account the difficulties of getting a warrant in rural parts of the country, allowing law enforcement to get warrants from circuit judges and general district judges. Sen. Ryan McDougle (R-Hanover) explains, “In rural jurisdiction, that could put some burdens on the system.” Meaning that outside of cities, a circuit judge might not be available or have to recuse him or herself if the warrant is subject to a challenge.
Another major adjustment to the bill was made in regards to notifying the suspect. In most search warrant cases, the suspect is able to view the warrant at the time police conduct the home or vehicle search. GPS tracking, however, is most effective when done without the suspect’s knowledge. Under the revised bill, the suspect is granted a copy of the warrant within 10 days after the tracking is complete. The bill is currently waiting on a decision from the full Senate.
Seeing as how both bills were introduced at the request of the Governor, I doubt that he would veto either of them should one or the other pass both houses.
It's one thing to use GPS on Coon Hunting dogs, but we're not dogs.
Not that it matters now that they are gone, but the Founders knew why they were "unalienable". :banghead: And the stories about the copyist writing them on some versions as "inalienable" because they mean the same thing is just that - a bunch of fairy stories.
Yes, I grew up in a time when specific words had specific meaning, as opposed to how these days it is virtually the same.
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The last two versions on their respective LIS pages are identical.HB1298 just passed the senate with a substitute, 40 to 0.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+sum+HB1298
SB685 passed the house with a substitute, 97 to 0.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+sum+SB685
so either a conference is coming or the bill substitutes are equivalent. haven't had the time to compare them.
The last two versions on the LIS page are identical.
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